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They do new stuff all the time. Ask your AI to draw a gerbil riding a unicycle around Pluto and you'd get an image that hasn't been there before. If by genuinel

by tim333 13d ago

They do new stuff all the time. Ask your AI to draw a gerbil riding a unicycle around Pluto and you'd get an image that hasn't been there before. If by genuinely new you mean without any help from past culture, do humans do that? For significant pushing the boundaries of knowledge stuff you maybe need different algorithms like AlphaGo move 37 or Alpha Fold protein folding. Though again how often do humans do that?

stackbutterflow 13d ago
Humans are not prompted.
- fifilura 12d ago
  Anyone can prompt an AI. Also an AI.
- heaney-555 12d ago
  Most employed (and contracting) humans are prompted repeatedly every day.
  - deathanatos 12d ago
    Yes, but also no. If I prompt a graphics artist, "draw me a picture, any style, of a calendar with this day circled in red", you do not have to tell them what a calendar looks like, what the days of the week are, or how many there are, or that days in a month increment sequentially. Yet if you prompt an AI: https://share.gemini.google/TyUxSnrKmq9h https://share.gemini.google/TyUxSnrKmq9h Also, you probably don't need to tell an artist "don't violate other people's copyrights" while you're at it, though that's perhaps somewhat more debatable than "does the artist know that the day after Thursday is Friday". This applies equally to all disciplines: AI generated code regularly contains wtfisms that a human would not need to be guided from, or at the very least (more similar to the copyright problems) that experience and knowledge would drive them away from — and permit me to entrust, particularly more experienced — humans with a vague outline of the idea, and trust that the details will get filled in sensibly. "Filling in details sensibly" is where AI hallucinates the hardest. (And just to head off, "it's a one-off mistake!" Another example: https://share.gemini.google/yE6axJvBDKYE https://share.gemini.google/yE6axJvBDKYE ; another example: https://share.gemini.google/WG6TEBjlyro7 https://share.gemini.google/WG6TEBjlyro7 (though admittedly, the calendar is pretty good here, I think "humans have 2 arms" is well within the point I'm making of "stuff I don't need to prompt human artists with") ; and another example: https://share.gemini.google/CIH4QM2teQKf https://share.gemini.google/CIH4QM2teQKf ; and another example: https://share.gemini.google/n76c9eJq1dGe https://share.gemini.google/n76c9eJq1dGe)
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    - heaney-555 10d ago
      You are conflating the specific technical limitations of Nano Banana 2 with the general nature of AI. This is akin to the "God of the gaps" fallacy, wherein your worldview is going to be repeatedly decimated by advancements in models. Nano Banana 2 isn't even in the top 5 image models anymore - it's obsolete: https://arena.ai/leaderboard/text-to-image https://arena.ai/leaderboard/text-to-image For example, the same prompt in GPT-Image-2 has no such issue (I even asked for a calendar, just for you): https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbdb6-1c00-83eb-b445-9a0608ca79f4 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbdb6-1c00-83eb-b445-9a0608ca79... And here are your other requests in GPT-Image-2: - https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbe6a-85d0-83eb-8cfb-ce7bd040d079 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbe6a-85d0-83eb-8cfb-ce7bd040d0... - https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbedc-fae4-83eb-a9e7-291b58aa7395 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbedc-fae4-83eb-a9e7-291b58aa73... - https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dc1e8-5100-83ed-9d19-2ebe55459d1d https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dc1e8-5100-83ed-9d19-2ebe55459d... - https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dc4ec-6d44-83eb-8b2f-b82ad1b811b0 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dc4ec-6d44-83eb-8b2f-b82ad1b811... Google DeepMind is far behind the frontier. Switch to ChatGPT, Claude, or Grok!
- adventured 12d ago
  See: advertising & marketing. Or: political propaganda. Or: bumper stickers. Or political party emails / calls to action. Humans are constantly prompted by The Joneses and perceived authority figures (boss, religion, politics, peers, co-workers, influencers, et al.).
- robotresearcher 12d ago
  “Hello, how are you?”
app13 13d ago
Humans do that by inventing algorithms like AlphaGo :) In a more serious note, I think the person you are responding to meant "new" more in line with "novel". Take a microfluidic chip, for example. Current AI systems can create new flow cell geometry, but cannot come up with the idea for a microfluidic flow cell itself.

by tim333 13d ago

stackbutterflow 13d ago

Humans are not prompted.

fifilura 12d ago
Anyone can prompt an AI. Also an AI.
heaney-555 12d ago
Most employed (and contracting) humans are prompted repeatedly every day.
- deathanatos 12d ago
  Yes, but also no. If I prompt a graphics artist, "draw me a picture, any style, of a calendar with this day circled in red", you do not have to tell them what a calendar looks like, what the days of the week are, or how many there are, or that days in a month increment sequentially. Yet if you prompt an AI: https://share.gemini.google/TyUxSnrKmq9h https://share.gemini.google/TyUxSnrKmq9h Also, you probably don't need to tell an artist "don't violate other people's copyrights" while you're at it, though that's perhaps somewhat more debatable than "does the artist know that the day after Thursday is Friday". This applies equally to all disciplines: AI generated code regularly contains wtfisms that a human would not need to be guided from, or at the very least (more similar to the copyright problems) that experience and knowledge would drive them away from — and permit me to entrust, particularly more experienced — humans with a vague outline of the idea, and trust that the details will get filled in sensibly. "Filling in details sensibly" is where AI hallucinates the hardest. (And just to head off, "it's a one-off mistake!" Another example: https://share.gemini.google/yE6axJvBDKYE https://share.gemini.google/yE6axJvBDKYE ; another example: https://share.gemini.google/WG6TEBjlyro7 https://share.gemini.google/WG6TEBjlyro7 (though admittedly, the calendar is pretty good here, I think "humans have 2 arms" is well within the point I'm making of "stuff I don't need to prompt human artists with") ; and another example: https://share.gemini.google/CIH4QM2teQKf https://share.gemini.google/CIH4QM2teQKf ; and another example: https://share.gemini.google/n76c9eJq1dGe https://share.gemini.google/n76c9eJq1dGe)
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  - heaney-555 10d ago
    You are conflating the specific technical limitations of Nano Banana 2 with the general nature of AI. This is akin to the "God of the gaps" fallacy, wherein your worldview is going to be repeatedly decimated by advancements in models. Nano Banana 2 isn't even in the top 5 image models anymore - it's obsolete: https://arena.ai/leaderboard/text-to-image https://arena.ai/leaderboard/text-to-image For example, the same prompt in GPT-Image-2 has no such issue (I even asked for a calendar, just for you): https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbdb6-1c00-83eb-b445-9a0608ca79f4 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbdb6-1c00-83eb-b445-9a0608ca79... And here are your other requests in GPT-Image-2: - https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbe6a-85d0-83eb-8cfb-ce7bd040d079 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbe6a-85d0-83eb-8cfb-ce7bd040d0... - https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbedc-fae4-83eb-a9e7-291b58aa7395 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dbedc-fae4-83eb-a9e7-291b58aa73... - https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dc1e8-5100-83ed-9d19-2ebe55459d1d https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dc1e8-5100-83ed-9d19-2ebe55459d... - https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dc4ec-6d44-83eb-8b2f-b82ad1b811b0 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9dc4ec-6d44-83eb-8b2f-b82ad1b811... Google DeepMind is far behind the frontier. Switch to ChatGPT, Claude, or Grok!
adventured 12d ago
See: advertising & marketing. Or: political propaganda. Or: bumper stickers. Or political party emails / calls to action. Humans are constantly prompted by The Joneses and perceived authority figures (boss, religion, politics, peers, co-workers, influencers, et al.).
robotresearcher 12d ago
“Hello, how are you?”

app13 13d ago

Humans do that by inventing algorithms like AlphaGo :) In a more serious note, I think the person you are responding to meant "new" more in line with "novel". Take a microfluidic chip, for example. Current AI systems can create new flow cell geometry, but cannot come up with the idea for a microfluidic flow cell itself.