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What is wrong with people?! Geez.

by LetMeLogin 16d ago

jmkni 16d ago
People say X is toxic, but Bluesky really is on another level
- idiotsecant 16d ago
  I'd say overall bluesky is better but boy howdy is it differently stupid sometimes.
  - Defletter 16d ago
    Bluesky is pretty decent and has features that I like over X, but much of its user base are from the Great Xodus (pardon the pun): people who frame their switch to Bluesky as some kind of boycott of X, ie, a bunch of moralists. They didn't leave X because it's a hellscape of trashing and toxicity, no, they left because the politics changed. And so Bluesky is now saturated with people who are very opinionated, very loud about it, and very willing to engage in trashing.
    - gnuplustoejam 16d ago
      Exile usually connotes being forced out from a place. The distinction is important because no one asked them to leave.
      - Defletter 16d ago
        I originally had "self exiles" but thought the Xile pun was funnier :P
        bityard 16d ago
        "Xodus"!
        Defletter 16d ago
        Stealing that
    - idiotsecant 16d ago
      Yes, bluesky is absolutely saturated with people who are loud and opinionated and willing to engage in trashing. Entirely different than twitter, in that respect.
      - Defletter 16d ago
        Nah, Twitter is still absolutely rotten with toxicity. The Great Xodus happened due to the rapid chuddification of Twitter under its new management: it was over politics, not toxicity. As such they brought the toxicity with them like a plague. Bluesky has this nice feature where you can mute lists, so someone made a MAGA list (https://bsky.app/profile/skywatch.blue/lists/3l53cjwlt4o2s https://bsky.app/profile/skywatch.blue/lists/3l53cjwlt4o2s), and yet I was still seeing MAGA stuff on my feed because all the Twitter refugees were screenshotting Twitter nonsense and laundering it into my feed. Utterly ridiculous.
        queenkjuul 16d ago
        Lol no X was and is toxic af
        miladyincontrol 16d ago
        I find myself agreeing with this a lot, as well as the secondhand amplification many do. I get some want to brigade but often times that very action is what leads to all sorts of awful content coming upon social media feeds in general, because they simply have to show others how awful this thing they saw was. Its not exclusive to bluesky by any margin, but it does become especially concerning as a double standard to filter lists.
        idiotsecant 15d ago
        Yes, I guess my sarcasm pen is broken. I agree with you.
  - red_admiral 16d ago
    To riff of an old political joke: X is for the evil party, bluesky is for the stupid party.
- jeffnv 16d ago
  This in no way diminishes the toxicity of X
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gnuplustoejam 16d ago
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jeffnv 16d ago
for real, improving free open source software is one of the positives of AI
- Avshalom 16d ago
  Paint.net is closed source
rossy 15d ago
I don't see the issue. The thing I can't move past with generative AI is that it wouldn't exist without the labour of people who post things for free on the internet, but it's displacing those same people from their day jobs. Legal or not, I think having your own work used against your will to harm you is something to be justifiably angry about. And many pro-AI communities sweep the issue under the rug, consider it invalid in some way, or just over-discussed and boring. They have to, because it's uncomfortable and it has no solution. There is no generative AI without scraped datasets. But the consequence of ignoring the issue is that you might be surprised when you encounter a large group who are still very (justifiably) angry about it. Bluesky has a large community of people who post art for free on the internet. You can't expect them to be civil either, when so many countries are in a cost of living crisis. No one faces losing their home or health insurance and thinks "I'd better be polite to the people doing it," and a high profile developer posting publicly about implementing a long-asked-for feature with AI is exactly what the AI marketing machine needs. A lot of devs are wondering whether AI-generated code is good or slop, and it's the opinion of other respected devs that sways them. Also, let's not forget that PDN isn't FOSS. Linux platform knowledge was scraped from FOSS Linux software, trained into AI, and is being used to port a closed source program to Linux where it will displace FOSS alternatives. And the dev expects a pat on the back from the community? Why?

What is wrong with people?! Geez.

jmkni 16d ago

People say X is toxic, but Bluesky really is on another level

idiotsecant 16d ago
I'd say overall bluesky is better but boy howdy is it differently stupid sometimes.
- Defletter 16d ago
  Bluesky is pretty decent and has features that I like over X, but much of its user base are from the Great Xodus (pardon the pun): people who frame their switch to Bluesky as some kind of boycott of X, ie, a bunch of moralists. They didn't leave X because it's a hellscape of trashing and toxicity, no, they left because the politics changed. And so Bluesky is now saturated with people who are very opinionated, very loud about it, and very willing to engage in trashing.
  - gnuplustoejam 16d ago
    Exile usually connotes being forced out from a place. The distinction is important because no one asked them to leave.
    - Defletter 16d ago
      I originally had "self exiles" but thought the Xile pun was funnier :P
      - bityard 16d ago
        "Xodus"!
        Defletter 16d ago
        Stealing that
  - idiotsecant 16d ago
    Yes, bluesky is absolutely saturated with people who are loud and opinionated and willing to engage in trashing. Entirely different than twitter, in that respect.
    - Defletter 16d ago
      Nah, Twitter is still absolutely rotten with toxicity. The Great Xodus happened due to the rapid chuddification of Twitter under its new management: it was over politics, not toxicity. As such they brought the toxicity with them like a plague. Bluesky has this nice feature where you can mute lists, so someone made a MAGA list (https://bsky.app/profile/skywatch.blue/lists/3l53cjwlt4o2s https://bsky.app/profile/skywatch.blue/lists/3l53cjwlt4o2s), and yet I was still seeing MAGA stuff on my feed because all the Twitter refugees were screenshotting Twitter nonsense and laundering it into my feed. Utterly ridiculous.
      - queenkjuul 16d ago
        Lol no X was and is toxic af
      - miladyincontrol 16d ago
        I find myself agreeing with this a lot, as well as the secondhand amplification many do. I get some want to brigade but often times that very action is what leads to all sorts of awful content coming upon social media feeds in general, because they simply have to show others how awful this thing they saw was. Its not exclusive to bluesky by any margin, but it does become especially concerning as a double standard to filter lists.
      - idiotsecant 15d ago
        Yes, I guess my sarcasm pen is broken. I agree with you.
- red_admiral 16d ago
  To riff of an old political joke: X is for the evil party, bluesky is for the stupid party.
jeffnv 16d ago
This in no way diminishes the toxicity of X

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gnuplustoejam 16d ago

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jeffnv 16d ago

for real, improving free open source software is one of the positives of AI

Avshalom 16d ago
Paint.net is closed source

rossy 15d ago

I don't see the issue. The thing I can't move past with generative AI is that it wouldn't exist without the labour of people who post things for free on the internet, but it's displacing those same people from their day jobs. Legal or not, I think having your own work used against your will to harm you is something to be justifiably angry about. And many pro-AI communities sweep the issue under the rug, consider it invalid in some way, or just over-discussed and boring. They have to, because it's uncomfortable and it has no solution. There is no generative AI without scraped datasets. But the consequence of ignoring the issue is that you might be surprised when you encounter a large group who are still very (justifiably) angry about it. Bluesky has a large community of people who post art for free on the internet. You can't expect them to be civil either, when so many countries are in a cost of living crisis. No one faces losing their home or health insurance and thinks "I'd better be polite to the people doing it," and a high profile developer posting publicly about implementing a long-asked-for feature with AI is exactly what the AI marketing machine needs. A lot of devs are wondering whether AI-generated code is good or slop, and it's the opinion of other respected devs that sways them. Also, let's not forget that PDN isn't FOSS. Linux platform knowledge was scraped from FOSS Linux software, trained into AI, and is being used to port a closed source program to Linux where it will displace FOSS alternatives. And the dev expects a pat on the back from the community? Why?