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Ok I agree that de-banking is not a good thing overall from a political perspective. But in this case, it seems fairly clear that A/I was providing services to

by tevon 14d ago

Ok I agree that de-banking is not a good thing overall from a political perspective. But in this case, it seems fairly clear that A/I was providing services to organizations listed as Terrorist Organizations by the US, UK, and Canada. Seems like the best way around this is... don't do business with terrorists? I'd understand more if these were ONLY deemed by the US, but this is an international group.

strken 14d ago
Is Italy in that list?
dmix 14d ago
Reminds me of when Cloudflare used to provide DDOS protection for ISIS and Al-Qaeda linked websites, Matthew Prince used to defend it by saying providing services is not an endorsement https://www.theregister.com/off-prem/2015/11/18/cloudflare-ceo-blasts-anonymous-claims-of-isis-terrorist-support/922766 https://www.theregister.com/off-prem/2015/11/18/cloudflare-c...
foul 14d ago
> it seems fairly clear that A/I was providing services to organizations listed as Terrorist Organizations by the US, UK, and Canada. It isn't fairly clear, there's no due process, there are no proofs or clues, only Trump's and Shideler's word on that.
Cynddl 14d ago
> it seems fairly clear that A/I was providing services to organizations listed as Terrorist Organizations by the US, UK, and Canada Let's take the UK as example. The organisation mentioned, Palestine Action, was indeed banned under terrorism laws. But on 13 February 2026, the UK High Court has ruled that the ban of Palestine Action under terrorism legislation is unlawful [1]. Why is that ‘fairly clear’ then? [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8x90q9nyzyt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8x90q9nyzyt
- ellefire 14d ago
  This is outdated: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/15/ban-on-palestine-action-was-lawful-court-of-appeal-rules https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/15/ban-on-pales...
  - bonzini 14d ago
    It's still not "fairly clear".
    - ellefire 14d ago
      Yep for sure, don't view that as me agreeing with the ruling!
freeone3000 14d ago
Because anything the US, UK, and Canada doesn’t like becomes terrorism, including (for Palestine Action in the UK) retroactively. It’s not something the US should be able to decide for the world.
prmoustache 14d ago
> listed as Terrorist Organizations by the US Given that the US governement consider that you are a terrorist if you are not a facist, any good person is considered a terrorist by the US government. UK being the US ball licking state, same. I don't know which org hosted by A/I is considered terrorist by Canada but I'd like to have sources of actual terrorist attacks perpetuated by these org if they really exist before going deeper in that discussion. Most government now use terrorist word for orgs that act in a total peaceful way. Chaining yourself to a tree might be stupid, but it is not bringing terror anywhere for example yet many gov now label environmental activists as terrorists to discredite them and continue destroying the climate out of greed.
deaux 14d ago
> Seems like the best way around this is... don't do business with terrorists? Do you do any business with the US government? Potentially even supporting them financially through taxes? Why are you doing business with terrorists?

by tevon 14d ago

strken 14d ago

Is Italy in that list?

dmix 14d ago

Reminds me of when Cloudflare used to provide DDOS protection for ISIS and Al-Qaeda linked websites, Matthew Prince used to defend it by saying providing services is not an endorsement https://www.theregister.com/off-prem/2015/11/18/cloudflare-ceo-blasts-anonymous-claims-of-isis-terrorist-support/922766 https://www.theregister.com/off-prem/2015/11/18/cloudflare-c...

foul 14d ago

> it seems fairly clear that A/I was providing services to organizations listed as Terrorist Organizations by the US, UK, and Canada. It isn't fairly clear, there's no due process, there are no proofs or clues, only Trump's and Shideler's word on that.

Cynddl 14d ago

> it seems fairly clear that A/I was providing services to organizations listed as Terrorist Organizations by the US, UK, and Canada Let's take the UK as example. The organisation mentioned, Palestine Action, was indeed banned under terrorism laws. But on 13 February 2026, the UK High Court has ruled that the ban of Palestine Action under terrorism legislation is unlawful [1]. Why is that ‘fairly clear’ then? [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8x90q9nyzyt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8x90q9nyzyt

ellefire 14d ago
This is outdated: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/15/ban-on-palestine-action-was-lawful-court-of-appeal-rules https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/15/ban-on-pales...
- bonzini 14d ago
  It's still not "fairly clear".
  - ellefire 14d ago
    Yep for sure, don't view that as me agreeing with the ruling!

freeone3000 14d ago

Because anything the US, UK, and Canada doesn’t like becomes terrorism, including (for Palestine Action in the UK) retroactively. It’s not something the US should be able to decide for the world.

prmoustache 14d ago

> listed as Terrorist Organizations by the US Given that the US governement consider that you are a terrorist if you are not a facist, any good person is considered a terrorist by the US government. UK being the US ball licking state, same. I don't know which org hosted by A/I is considered terrorist by Canada but I'd like to have sources of actual terrorist attacks perpetuated by these org if they really exist before going deeper in that discussion. Most government now use terrorist word for orgs that act in a total peaceful way. Chaining yourself to a tree might be stupid, but it is not bringing terror anywhere for example yet many gov now label environmental activists as terrorists to discredite them and continue destroying the climate out of greed.

deaux 14d ago

> Seems like the best way around this is... don't do business with terrorists? Do you do any business with the US government? Potentially even supporting them financially through taxes? Why are you doing business with terrorists?