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The new app is an unbelievable mess. Settings are senselessly organized, too. The whole thing has this aesthetic slickness and then underneath it's like the peo

The new app is an unbelievable mess. Settings are senselessly organized, too. The whole thing has this aesthetic slickness and then underneath it's like the people who make it have never even used it. It's not surprising that it's pulled in absolutely massive dependencies, although I'm not sure it's the wrong call on some operating systems. LibreOffice is pretty tried and true.

jbird99 15d ago
Almost like it's... vibe coded.
- senectus1 15d ago
  yeah, that seems obvious by now.
- deleted 15d ago
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yeutterg 15d ago
Personally, I like the 3-pane organization (sidebar, chat, browser). I turned ChatGPT into my bookkeeper and social post writing/kanban space, and it works well for these script+browser workflows on desktop. However, all of this is confusing: - the ChatGPT/Codex split on desktop - Chat/Work split on mobile - how you remotely access each chat from your phone (some of my most valuable chats are buried in Remote) - which chats propagate from device to device, and which remain on that device
- nobody_r_knows 15d ago
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- pests 15d ago
  > - the ChatGPT/Codex split on desktop Do tell, cause I run the "ChatGPT" program on Windows to use both the normal Chat and Codex (side menu items). I think its a more recent change.
  - yeutterg 14d ago
    This is from a recent update, and I'm on macOS. I had to re-download it, not just update from within the app. This new version has tabs for ChatGPT and Codex. The ChatGPT tab seems way less powerful; Codex is basically a coding agent with a UI and browser built in. Pretty sure this is the old Codex app with the ChatGPT tab bolted on. It's great in some ways, but needs work in others.
written-beyond 15d ago
HOW DOES IT WORK FOR YOU PEOPLE?! Istg on windows, I can't get codex app, new chatgpt or chatgpt classic to work without hanging on even a moderately sized chat. I tried all of the different tricks people recommended but that shit just crawls. It was stable at some point, classic that is, but then it started being a laggy mess. I've uninstalled new chatgpt/codex app. I can't access phone chats on it, I can't use the desktop allocated chat messages on it. I have to use up codex limits. I am so surprised that OpenAI ships that hot garbage on windows.
- johaugum 15d ago
  Mac Neo can be had for $600 now, and it runs Codex incredibly well! But even on the Windows machine, if you Tailscale into a free tier VM for the workloads, you'd probably have a much better time. Just leave Codex itself on your machine, if you set up computer use it will happily set up all of this for you while you have lunch.
  - timpera 14d ago
    Do you have any tips for running Codex on the Macbook Neo? Have you changed any setting? On mine, it stutters on every single chat, and I don't even have any plugins installed.
    - johaugum 14d ago
      Are you on the recent update that handles long chat sessions much better? That made a big difference. Biasing towards lightweight and fast tool alternatives (uv over pip, bun over npm, ripgrep over grep, etc). If that still doesn't resolve it, a free tier VM might be the move. I suspect OpenAI will be bundling some kind of VM with their new Astra release, which Sama said yesterday will be released soon (this week maybe?). If this new model supports much longer running tasks, you'll want a dedicated box that can run 24/7 even when your Neo is closed and asleep anyway.
  - NBJack 14d ago
    > Mac Neo can be had for $600 now Maybe a used one? https://www.apple.com/macbook-neo/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-neo/ has it for ~$700
Razengan 15d ago
And when you go to their forums it says "This forum is not for discussing the ChatGPT App..." ..like excuse me? Where the fuck else would we post feedback about it?
- Maken 15d ago
  Just tell ChatGPT what changes you want in the next version.
RestartKernel 15d ago
They removed the global shortcut to show a portable chat overlay. That one entrypoint must've been the source of at least 80% of my chats, yet apparently it was considered too vestigial to keep.
- mkesper 15d ago
  Can it be reassigned under Settings / Keyboard shortcuts?
  - isityettime 15d ago
    Yes, although it's buried among a huge number of other shortcuts now, and not particularly easy to search for.
    - RestartKernel 14d ago
      Did they restore the functionality itself? Last time I checked the overlay was just straight up not a feature anymore.
enraged_camel 15d ago
The thing that blows my mind about it is that they straight up copied Claude Code and tried to frame it as some sort of incredible accomplishment. There are no new ideas, no insightful UI/UX paradigms, no killer features. They say money can't buy taste. The ChatGPT/Codex app is proof that it cannot buy creativity either.
- steve1977 15d ago
  Codex, clone Claude Code, make no mistakes they also didn't make.
- pdantix 15d ago
  which is really funny/sad when you see openai staff doing victory laps whenever claude code copies one or two small codex features like /goal.
KronisLV 15d ago
> The new app is an unbelievable mess. How so? On Windows, I like it (version 26.825.51511). Works fast (like modern Claude Code desktop, their old versions were bad), has pretty okay UI (could have an option for wider main text display, like ZCode added), allows you to change the fonts and shells and some of the layout stuff. I mean currently I have Paseo hooked up to OpenCode that runs the actual models and often that works a bit better for me, but as a standalone desktop offering, the ChatGPT app has been okay in my experience. I can kinda see why ZCode copied them a bunch (though ZCode also lets you run 3rd party models, which is actually preferable to me). I do like the idea that Claude Code desktop had in the earlier versions, 3 tabs - chat, work, code, except they kinda went in the direction of merging chat and work which was very ehhhh. The ChatGPT app doesn't even have a proper split between chat and work/code.
Schlagbohrer 14d ago
Probably vibe coded right?
prmph 14d ago
Where are the AI-will-render-software-engineers-obsolete and/or vibe-coding apologists? They can make all kinds of nice-sounding arguments, but if AI is contributing to a degradation in product quality, their arguments cannot stand up to the reality we see with our own eyes. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and all that. It is the same with Claude Code. Pretty much each change Anthropic makes to it now lowers its quality. Just yesterday they auto-updated it, and now backspace in the CLI does not work reliably. It also insert the enter key command when there is a line break in text that you are pasting, causing fragments of the prompt to be sent prematurely. What the heck! And pretty much all the regressions I have experienced this year have also not been fixed.

jbird99 15d ago

Almost like it's... vibe coded.

senectus1 15d ago
yeah, that seems obvious by now.
deleted 15d ago
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yeutterg 15d ago

Personally, I like the 3-pane organization (sidebar, chat, browser). I turned ChatGPT into my bookkeeper and social post writing/kanban space, and it works well for these script+browser workflows on desktop. However, all of this is confusing: - the ChatGPT/Codex split on desktop - Chat/Work split on mobile - how you remotely access each chat from your phone (some of my most valuable chats are buried in Remote) - which chats propagate from device to device, and which remain on that device

nobody_r_knows 15d ago
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pests 15d ago
> - the ChatGPT/Codex split on desktop Do tell, cause I run the "ChatGPT" program on Windows to use both the normal Chat and Codex (side menu items). I think its a more recent change.
- yeutterg 14d ago
  This is from a recent update, and I'm on macOS. I had to re-download it, not just update from within the app. This new version has tabs for ChatGPT and Codex. The ChatGPT tab seems way less powerful; Codex is basically a coding agent with a UI and browser built in. Pretty sure this is the old Codex app with the ChatGPT tab bolted on. It's great in some ways, but needs work in others.

written-beyond 15d ago

HOW DOES IT WORK FOR YOU PEOPLE?! Istg on windows, I can't get codex app, new chatgpt or chatgpt classic to work without hanging on even a moderately sized chat. I tried all of the different tricks people recommended but that shit just crawls. It was stable at some point, classic that is, but then it started being a laggy mess. I've uninstalled new chatgpt/codex app. I can't access phone chats on it, I can't use the desktop allocated chat messages on it. I have to use up codex limits. I am so surprised that OpenAI ships that hot garbage on windows.

johaugum 15d ago
Mac Neo can be had for $600 now, and it runs Codex incredibly well! But even on the Windows machine, if you Tailscale into a free tier VM for the workloads, you'd probably have a much better time. Just leave Codex itself on your machine, if you set up computer use it will happily set up all of this for you while you have lunch.
- timpera 14d ago
  Do you have any tips for running Codex on the Macbook Neo? Have you changed any setting? On mine, it stutters on every single chat, and I don't even have any plugins installed.
  - johaugum 14d ago
    Are you on the recent update that handles long chat sessions much better? That made a big difference. Biasing towards lightweight and fast tool alternatives (uv over pip, bun over npm, ripgrep over grep, etc). If that still doesn't resolve it, a free tier VM might be the move. I suspect OpenAI will be bundling some kind of VM with their new Astra release, which Sama said yesterday will be released soon (this week maybe?). If this new model supports much longer running tasks, you'll want a dedicated box that can run 24/7 even when your Neo is closed and asleep anyway.
- NBJack 14d ago
  > Mac Neo can be had for $600 now Maybe a used one? https://www.apple.com/macbook-neo/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-neo/ has it for ~$700

Razengan 15d ago

And when you go to their forums it says "This forum is not for discussing the ChatGPT App..." ..like excuse me? Where the fuck else would we post feedback about it?

Maken 15d ago
Just tell ChatGPT what changes you want in the next version.

RestartKernel 15d ago

They removed the global shortcut to show a portable chat overlay. That one entrypoint must've been the source of at least 80% of my chats, yet apparently it was considered too vestigial to keep.

mkesper 15d ago
Can it be reassigned under Settings / Keyboard shortcuts?
- isityettime 15d ago
  Yes, although it's buried among a huge number of other shortcuts now, and not particularly easy to search for.
  - RestartKernel 14d ago
    Did they restore the functionality itself? Last time I checked the overlay was just straight up not a feature anymore.

enraged_camel 15d ago

The thing that blows my mind about it is that they straight up copied Claude Code and tried to frame it as some sort of incredible accomplishment. There are no new ideas, no insightful UI/UX paradigms, no killer features. They say money can't buy taste. The ChatGPT/Codex app is proof that it cannot buy creativity either.

steve1977 15d ago
Codex, clone Claude Code, make no mistakes they also didn't make.
pdantix 15d ago
which is really funny/sad when you see openai staff doing victory laps whenever claude code copies one or two small codex features like /goal.

KronisLV 15d ago

> The new app is an unbelievable mess. How so? On Windows, I like it (version 26.825.51511). Works fast (like modern Claude Code desktop, their old versions were bad), has pretty okay UI (could have an option for wider main text display, like ZCode added), allows you to change the fonts and shells and some of the layout stuff. I mean currently I have Paseo hooked up to OpenCode that runs the actual models and often that works a bit better for me, but as a standalone desktop offering, the ChatGPT app has been okay in my experience. I can kinda see why ZCode copied them a bunch (though ZCode also lets you run 3rd party models, which is actually preferable to me). I do like the idea that Claude Code desktop had in the earlier versions, 3 tabs - chat, work, code, except they kinda went in the direction of merging chat and work which was very ehhhh. The ChatGPT app doesn't even have a proper split between chat and work/code.

Schlagbohrer 14d ago

Probably vibe coded right?

prmph 14d ago

Where are the AI-will-render-software-engineers-obsolete and/or vibe-coding apologists? They can make all kinds of nice-sounding arguments, but if AI is contributing to a degradation in product quality, their arguments cannot stand up to the reality we see with our own eyes. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and all that. It is the same with Claude Code. Pretty much each change Anthropic makes to it now lowers its quality. Just yesterday they auto-updated it, and now backspace in the CLI does not work reliably. It also insert the enter key command when there is a line break in text that you are pasting, causing fragments of the prompt to be sent prematurely. What the heck! And pretty much all the regressions I have experienced this year have also not been fixed.