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Omarchy has me questioning liking Rails because it just… straight up sucks? It comes preloaded with friggen ZOOM. I don’t think Windows bloat is that bad. If

Omarchy has me questioning liking Rails because it just… straight up sucks? It comes preloaded with friggen ZOOM. I don’t think Windows bloat is that bad. If it makes people happy it makes people happy I guess. These guys trying it would be even more amazed at Fedora Workstation (“you can press windows and it shows all your open windows? That’s so much better”)

cute_boi 17d ago
i don't understand why DHH is shipping so much bloat in omarchy. The better solution would be to ask if user wants to install bloatware during installation.
- alberth 17d ago
  DHH created a distro for what he personally needs for work, and his company uses Zoom. It's that simple.
  - NewJazz 17d ago
    There are far better ways to handle setting up a workstation for one's needs than spinning a new distro.
    - westpfelia 17d ago
      Perfect example of a usecase for nixOS. Single file and its got everything DHH wants.
  - zer0zzz 17d ago
    Thats pretty good, then he should have made a toolkit for building and rolling your own badass distro and not a "opinionated" "omakase" system that claims to solve all of deskop linux while personally mocking a lot of people that actually have made real contributions as "clowns".
    - moojacob 16d ago
      His tone is horrible. Because he implies untrue things while being 100% certain. He will paint entire communities as against omarchy when it’s just a couple left wing members with a stupid take. It doesn’t help the distribution is just … not that good.
      - zer0zzz 14d ago
        Yeah, he also doesn't seem to separate those of us that hate omarchy because its a stupid distro from those of us that hate omarchy because of the authors annoying political loudness. It's a convenient tool though, label all the detractors as hating him for political reasons when the distro is objectively kinda pointless.
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- fwip 17d ago
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  - Chyzwar 16d ago
    By doing open source and sharing his opinionated setup with other people ?
    - fwip 16d ago
      No, probably the other thing.
- damanamathos 17d ago
  dhh understands what a good user experience is. Installing in a couple minutes and getting right into it is an amazing start compared to most operating systems that take ages to setup. Plus, many pre-installs (like Zoom) are web-apps that take no space (30 lines of text) and are easy to remove if you don't want them in the menu.
  - moojacob 16d ago
    Have you… used any other Linux distributions at all? For longer than a month? Respectfully. The thing DHH killed was demoing Omarchy most stuff is in other distros out of the box. And like installing in a couple minutes is table stakes.
- TiredOfLife 16d ago
  Have you used any of the popular distros? They all ship with loads of bloatware by default
  - moojacob 16d ago
    Like what???? I don’t revolt at anything pre-installed on fedora. And arch Linux specifically ships with nothing! 6GB is 3x larger than most other distros. It is kind of mental.
shdh 17d ago
I don't find it to be too bloated, and the things I don't like I simply uninstall. So far its the best Linux Desktop experience I've had, and I hardly have to configure anything out of the box, most of it just works.
- moojacob 17d ago
  That’s awesome! Everyone has different tastes. Personally I love GNOME because it’s extremely productive and works out of the box.
  - shdh 17d ago
    Yeah, GNOME was my previous preference, but I don't see myself going back now Learning the hotkeys in Omarchy is a bit of a process, but there is a hotkey to show the hotkeys lol (super + K) - and once you get used to them, its super productive, at least to me.
chrysoprace 17d ago
(Not a Rails developer, just an outside observer) Isn't Rails highly opinionated with a focus on being batteries-included? I'm not defending the choice to include Zoom but a batteries-included (for better or for worse) distro is exactly what I would expect from the creator of Rails.
- moojacob 16d ago
  I guess I love highly opinionated stuff only if I agree with those opinions.
damanamathos 17d ago
A lot of the "pre-install bloat" are just web apps, including Zoom. Zoom is just an 8 line file so it appears in the menu and to point it to a 22 line bash script to launch the app.zoom.us website at the right address. Easy to remove. Can even open your favourite AI assistant and ask it to remove it, since it comes with an Omarchy skill and knows how to change everything.
- adverbly 17d ago
  > Easy to remove See this is where its going too far IMO. When you setup rails, you get far fewer "batteries" by default. Its batteries included, but opt-in to be included. That is totally different from installing an OS and having bloatware already included. It'll get there with enough community support hopefully, but the current state is very rough(much like early rails)

cute_boi 17d ago

i don't understand why DHH is shipping so much bloat in omarchy. The better solution would be to ask if user wants to install bloatware during installation.

alberth 17d ago
DHH created a distro for what he personally needs for work, and his company uses Zoom. It's that simple.
- NewJazz 17d ago
  There are far better ways to handle setting up a workstation for one's needs than spinning a new distro.
  - westpfelia 17d ago
    Perfect example of a usecase for nixOS. Single file and its got everything DHH wants.
- zer0zzz 17d ago
  Thats pretty good, then he should have made a toolkit for building and rolling your own badass distro and not a "opinionated" "omakase" system that claims to solve all of deskop linux while personally mocking a lot of people that actually have made real contributions as "clowns".
  - moojacob 16d ago
    His tone is horrible. Because he implies untrue things while being 100% certain. He will paint entire communities as against omarchy when it’s just a couple left wing members with a stupid take. It doesn’t help the distribution is just … not that good.
    - zer0zzz 14d ago
      Yeah, he also doesn't seem to separate those of us that hate omarchy because its a stupid distro from those of us that hate omarchy because of the authors annoying political loudness. It's a convenient tool though, label all the detractors as hating him for political reasons when the distro is objectively kinda pointless.
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- Chyzwar 16d ago
  By doing open source and sharing his opinionated setup with other people ?
  - fwip 16d ago
    No, probably the other thing.
damanamathos 17d ago
dhh understands what a good user experience is. Installing in a couple minutes and getting right into it is an amazing start compared to most operating systems that take ages to setup. Plus, many pre-installs (like Zoom) are web-apps that take no space (30 lines of text) and are easy to remove if you don't want them in the menu.
- moojacob 16d ago
  Have you… used any other Linux distributions at all? For longer than a month? Respectfully. The thing DHH killed was demoing Omarchy most stuff is in other distros out of the box. And like installing in a couple minutes is table stakes.
TiredOfLife 16d ago
Have you used any of the popular distros? They all ship with loads of bloatware by default
- moojacob 16d ago
  Like what???? I don’t revolt at anything pre-installed on fedora. And arch Linux specifically ships with nothing! 6GB is 3x larger than most other distros. It is kind of mental.

shdh 17d ago

I don't find it to be too bloated, and the things I don't like I simply uninstall. So far its the best Linux Desktop experience I've had, and I hardly have to configure anything out of the box, most of it just works.

moojacob 17d ago
That’s awesome! Everyone has different tastes. Personally I love GNOME because it’s extremely productive and works out of the box.
- shdh 17d ago
  Yeah, GNOME was my previous preference, but I don't see myself going back now Learning the hotkeys in Omarchy is a bit of a process, but there is a hotkey to show the hotkeys lol (super + K) - and once you get used to them, its super productive, at least to me.

chrysoprace 17d ago

(Not a Rails developer, just an outside observer) Isn't Rails highly opinionated with a focus on being batteries-included? I'm not defending the choice to include Zoom but a batteries-included (for better or for worse) distro is exactly what I would expect from the creator of Rails.

moojacob 16d ago
I guess I love highly opinionated stuff only if I agree with those opinions.

damanamathos 17d ago

A lot of the "pre-install bloat" are just web apps, including Zoom. Zoom is just an 8 line file so it appears in the menu and to point it to a 22 line bash script to launch the app.zoom.us website at the right address. Easy to remove. Can even open your favourite AI assistant and ask it to remove it, since it comes with an Omarchy skill and knows how to change everything.

adverbly 17d ago
> Easy to remove See this is where its going too far IMO. When you setup rails, you get far fewer "batteries" by default. Its batteries included, but opt-in to be included. That is totally different from installing an OS and having bloatware already included. It'll get there with enough community support hopefully, but the current state is very rough(much like early rails)