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> Red meat is a category 1 carcinogenic It is not. There are no studies with simply meat. They count burgers and processed stuff. I literally do 90% carnivore

> Red meat is a category 1 carcinogenic It is not. There are no studies with simply meat. They count burgers and processed stuff. I literally do 90% carnivore so eat nothing processed. I only put salt on the meat. > You could put on a scale every single tiger, domestic dog, rabbit, squirrel, horse, hyppo, kangaroo, etc, etc, etc on the planet. Carnivore animals rarely are eaten. Horse/rabbit are low fat. Beef & lamb are the two most popular that are available nearly everywhere. > I don't know where you get your nutritional facts The best diet for mental health is animal based keto diet and carnivore diet (only red meat actually!, maybe some fish which is even more expensive often) The diet is used for kids/adults with refractory epilepsy & serious mental disorders like schizophrenia/bipolar/eating disorders, diabetes (it's easy actually but there are many potential people for this). -------- A short example: The only way to do vegan keto diet for epilepsy/schizophrenia/bipolar, is to eat protein powder, because there is no non-processed vegan food that has protein and is low carb.

epolanski 17d ago
It feels like speaking with a chatbot. The focus of the discussion is topic is how dangerous is cattle farming to the planet. The answer is very, I gave you numbers, you're free to debunk them. The topic of whether red meat is category 1 or 2 carcinogenic is less of an interest to this thread. If you want to keep your diet, keep it, it doesn't change it has an insane impact on the planet in terms of greenhouse gases production and resource consumption. It kills the planet, whether you like it or not. It's unsustainable.
- jazzyjackson 17d ago
  Beef can be raised carbon negative, it’s just more expensive. Maybe not scalable to 8 billion, I don’t know, but the man buying meat from a butcher buying from small farms raising grass fed cows is not the problem (it’s the corn that makes them fart, can’t digest as well)
  - epolanski 17d ago
    Beef cannot be carbon negative, a single cow, will emit half a pound of methane per day, which is equivalent to 100 pounds of CO2. There is no way around it.
  - Otterly99 17d ago
    Can you explain how raising an animal can be carbon negative? It just doesn't seem to make sense to me. How can any mammal capture more carbon than they release?
- ddorian43 17d ago
  You feel the same way buddy. We both have no ability to verify what we're saying and just choose who to listen to. At least I eat healthy compared to you (easily verifiable when you have a health issue like epilepsy or diabetes).
  - epolanski 17d ago
    I eat very well, mostly a classic mediterranean diet with lots of vegetables, lentils, etc, and I'm very healthy, thanks for the worry.
    - ddorian43 17d ago
      Yes, but you're just lucky, or still young, or aren't really measuring, or aren't optimizing. Which is fine. But it's not nice to tax other people's medicine.
      - epolanski 17d ago
        1. There's no evidence that carnivore diet has any long term benefit, as this 2026 article that reviews all of the available literature points out. In fact there's more evidence of the contrary. > The Carnivore Diet may offer short-term health benefits but carries substantial risks of nutrient deficiencies, reduced intake of health-promoting phytochemicals, and the development of cardiovascular disease. At this time, long-term adherence to a CD cannot be recommended. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12845189 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12845189 2. On the contrary, the mediterranean diet is one of the most studied and backed with more evidence behind its long term health benefits. 3. In any case the topic is climate change, which agriculture and cattle are very strongly responsible for as cattle farming produces both lots of greenhouses as well as being very resource intensive. Which is fine. But don't pretend it to be otherwise with your social media diet.
        ddorian43 17d ago
        It's not social media diet, it was invented to help children with epilepsy. The same diet works in other scenarios (diabetes 1 & 2, bipolar, schizophrenia, adhd are some examples). > https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12845189 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12845189 Again, it's very hard to form correct opinions when you're not in the trenches and just read stuff online. A (complex) example: are bad blood lipids actually bad when you're very fit? This is being researched, might take some years. It's a complex topic, see "lean mass hyper responder" or "The cholesterol code" documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Z8bUb1P94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Z8bUb1P94 . (this is the cardiovascular angle) > 2. On the contrary, the mediterranean diet is one of the most studied and backed with more evidence behind its long term health benefits. Yet it doesn't work in any of the scenarios I said. It's not a bad diet, but it's a random diet IMO, no thought went into it, or some evolutionary design (I live in a mediterranean country and ate it by default). ps: the mediterranean should work on type 2 diabetes. But what happens if eating even some plain/simple/good carbs/sweets/fruits still triggers your brain so high-carb food remains an addiction in your head? The only solution might be to quit even the "good" carbs, so after some time, you have no triggers/urges for bad food and can live in peace.
Dylan16807 17d ago
I don't think meat is a very serious cancer risk, but: > They count burgers Do you think grinding up a piece of cow changes whether it's carcinogenic?
- ddorian43 17d ago
  No, ground meat is good, it's also cheap. But in burgers you get bread, potatoes, seed oils, etc, which are all bad. Example: its extremely hard & rare to become or remain fat in keto/carnivore.
  - aziaziazi 17d ago
    Heme iron and its link to oxidative stress has been re-evaluated over time. Vegetables contain non-heme iron (Fe 3+), which is reduced to (Fe 2+) by the body on demand for absorption. In contrast, heme iron is already in its reduced state (Fe 2+). Because of its high bioavailability excess heme iron reacts with peroxides to produce highly reactive free radicals (Fenton reaction). You can keep on potatoes safely.
    - ddorian43 17d ago
      potatoes are high carb and no protein/fat, while foods should be high fat and low-to-medium protein (in keto diet that I do).
      - aziaziazi 17d ago
        I was responding to the carcinogenic aspect of meat, not to you personal diet. You can ignore it ("It is not") but it doesn't make Fenton reaction less real.
        ddorian43 17d ago
        The "longevity" aspect on both ends of the spectrum is very hard to really quantify to be honest. On keto/carnivore I see immediate results (weeks) that span over multiple years.

epolanski 17d ago

It feels like speaking with a chatbot. The focus of the discussion is topic is how dangerous is cattle farming to the planet. The answer is very, I gave you numbers, you're free to debunk them. The topic of whether red meat is category 1 or 2 carcinogenic is less of an interest to this thread. If you want to keep your diet, keep it, it doesn't change it has an insane impact on the planet in terms of greenhouse gases production and resource consumption. It kills the planet, whether you like it or not. It's unsustainable.

jazzyjackson 17d ago
Beef can be raised carbon negative, it’s just more expensive. Maybe not scalable to 8 billion, I don’t know, but the man buying meat from a butcher buying from small farms raising grass fed cows is not the problem (it’s the corn that makes them fart, can’t digest as well)
- epolanski 17d ago
  Beef cannot be carbon negative, a single cow, will emit half a pound of methane per day, which is equivalent to 100 pounds of CO2. There is no way around it.
- Otterly99 17d ago
  Can you explain how raising an animal can be carbon negative? It just doesn't seem to make sense to me. How can any mammal capture more carbon than they release?
ddorian43 17d ago
You feel the same way buddy. We both have no ability to verify what we're saying and just choose who to listen to. At least I eat healthy compared to you (easily verifiable when you have a health issue like epilepsy or diabetes).
- epolanski 17d ago
  I eat very well, mostly a classic mediterranean diet with lots of vegetables, lentils, etc, and I'm very healthy, thanks for the worry.
  - ddorian43 17d ago
    Yes, but you're just lucky, or still young, or aren't really measuring, or aren't optimizing. Which is fine. But it's not nice to tax other people's medicine.
    - epolanski 17d ago
      1. There's no evidence that carnivore diet has any long term benefit, as this 2026 article that reviews all of the available literature points out. In fact there's more evidence of the contrary. > The Carnivore Diet may offer short-term health benefits but carries substantial risks of nutrient deficiencies, reduced intake of health-promoting phytochemicals, and the development of cardiovascular disease. At this time, long-term adherence to a CD cannot be recommended. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12845189 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12845189 2. On the contrary, the mediterranean diet is one of the most studied and backed with more evidence behind its long term health benefits. 3. In any case the topic is climate change, which agriculture and cattle are very strongly responsible for as cattle farming produces both lots of greenhouses as well as being very resource intensive. Which is fine. But don't pretend it to be otherwise with your social media diet.
      - ddorian43 17d ago
        It's not social media diet, it was invented to help children with epilepsy. The same diet works in other scenarios (diabetes 1 & 2, bipolar, schizophrenia, adhd are some examples). > https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12845189 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12845189 Again, it's very hard to form correct opinions when you're not in the trenches and just read stuff online. A (complex) example: are bad blood lipids actually bad when you're very fit? This is being researched, might take some years. It's a complex topic, see "lean mass hyper responder" or "The cholesterol code" documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Z8bUb1P94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Z8bUb1P94 . (this is the cardiovascular angle) > 2. On the contrary, the mediterranean diet is one of the most studied and backed with more evidence behind its long term health benefits. Yet it doesn't work in any of the scenarios I said. It's not a bad diet, but it's a random diet IMO, no thought went into it, or some evolutionary design (I live in a mediterranean country and ate it by default). ps: the mediterranean should work on type 2 diabetes. But what happens if eating even some plain/simple/good carbs/sweets/fruits still triggers your brain so high-carb food remains an addiction in your head? The only solution might be to quit even the "good" carbs, so after some time, you have no triggers/urges for bad food and can live in peace.

Dylan16807 17d ago

I don't think meat is a very serious cancer risk, but: > They count burgers Do you think grinding up a piece of cow changes whether it's carcinogenic?

ddorian43 17d ago
No, ground meat is good, it's also cheap. But in burgers you get bread, potatoes, seed oils, etc, which are all bad. Example: its extremely hard & rare to become or remain fat in keto/carnivore.
- aziaziazi 17d ago
  Heme iron and its link to oxidative stress has been re-evaluated over time. Vegetables contain non-heme iron (Fe 3+), which is reduced to (Fe 2+) by the body on demand for absorption. In contrast, heme iron is already in its reduced state (Fe 2+). Because of its high bioavailability excess heme iron reacts with peroxides to produce highly reactive free radicals (Fenton reaction). You can keep on potatoes safely.
  - ddorian43 17d ago
    potatoes are high carb and no protein/fat, while foods should be high fat and low-to-medium protein (in keto diet that I do).
    - aziaziazi 17d ago
      I was responding to the carcinogenic aspect of meat, not to you personal diet. You can ignore it ("It is not") but it doesn't make Fenton reaction less real.
      - ddorian43 17d ago
        The "longevity" aspect on both ends of the spectrum is very hard to really quantify to be honest. On keto/carnivore I see immediate results (weeks) that span over multiple years.