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I think it often gets overlooked that effective carbon taxing would tax you right out of pretty much all modern convenience. Which would be the point, but peopl

by esikich 17d ago

I think it often gets overlooked that effective carbon taxing would tax you right out of pretty much all modern convenience. Which would be the point, but people would fuckin revolt if it actually happened. Parent is complaining about 0.00000000001% of the damage done over the last 100 years.

dumberquestions 17d ago
A very gradual carbon tax that could've been introduced a couple of decades ago would've been more tolerable, and would've given the market and consumers more time to adapt.
- andai 17d ago
  Make each subsequent generation poorer and less populous. Aren't we already doing that?
haizhung 17d ago
You could carbon tax it, and give people immediately back the equivalent of what they would lose (on average). Then they can keep their lifestyle - if they are truly diehard about it - or they can adopt a climate friendlier lifestyle and pocket the change.
- maxhille 17d ago
  That was exactly the plan in Germany when we finally had a progressive ("center-left") government coalition a couple of years ago. The plan was dragged out and eventually killed by the centrist/neoliberal coalition partner (FDP). It is extremely sad it went this way. Just think of the acceptance the people would've had: Germans might have called for higher CO2 taxes out of pure selfishness...
Dylan16807 17d ago
> effective carbon taxing would tax you right out of pretty much all modern convenience What tax number do you have in mind for "effective"? $100 per ton or maybe $200 per ton would have massive differences on industry but wouldn't prevent modern convenience at all.
- esikich 16d ago
  What's the point if it doesn't change overconsumption?
  - Dylan16807 16d ago
    If would probably reduce it some as a side effect. But the two biggest points would be that every power plant and tons of factories stop emitting CO2, and the cost of vehicles shifts significantly in favor of electric.

by esikich 17d ago

dumberquestions 17d ago

A very gradual carbon tax that could've been introduced a couple of decades ago would've been more tolerable, and would've given the market and consumers more time to adapt.

andai 17d ago
Make each subsequent generation poorer and less populous. Aren't we already doing that?

haizhung 17d ago

You could carbon tax it, and give people immediately back the equivalent of what they would lose (on average). Then they can keep their lifestyle - if they are truly diehard about it - or they can adopt a climate friendlier lifestyle and pocket the change.

maxhille 17d ago
That was exactly the plan in Germany when we finally had a progressive ("center-left") government coalition a couple of years ago. The plan was dragged out and eventually killed by the centrist/neoliberal coalition partner (FDP). It is extremely sad it went this way. Just think of the acceptance the people would've had: Germans might have called for higher CO2 taxes out of pure selfishness...

Dylan16807 17d ago

> effective carbon taxing would tax you right out of pretty much all modern convenience What tax number do you have in mind for "effective"? $100 per ton or maybe $200 per ton would have massive differences on industry but wouldn't prevent modern convenience at all.

esikich 16d ago
What's the point if it doesn't change overconsumption?
- Dylan16807 16d ago
  If would probably reduce it some as a side effect. But the two biggest points would be that every power plant and tons of factories stop emitting CO2, and the cost of vehicles shifts significantly in favor of electric.