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Joey Hess is unimpressed. See https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/Debian_and_the_sirens/ https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/Debian_and_the_sirens/

• GaryBluto 19d ago
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  • boxed 19d ago
    At least he didn't say that all LLM tech is "fascist". Which some did :/
    • GaggiX 19d ago
      I think that would be more normal than comparing an LLM policy to having lost a child.
      • boxed 19d ago
        One is just something more people say, it's still as much unhinged.
• deleted 19d ago
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• softwaredoug 19d ago
  His point is using LLMs to build software will lead to code so complex that it requires an Agent. Or that it will cause avoiding cleaning up the boilerplate because we can tolerate it now because of agents. And thus this will all bias towards complexity and fragility.. Aside from Bun, which is owned by Anthropic, do we know of open source projects that allow AI where this has happened?
  • smy20011 18d ago
    OpenClaw IMO, It's a such big mess that only agent can operate it.
• frabcus 19d ago
  His reasoning is quite fresh and interesting: > What LLMs in Debian development will do, I fear, is eliminate any incentive to scrap boilerplate or reform policies that require a lot of other senseless human effort. If I had had access to LLMs 30 years ago, I might have just had them generate the rules files, replate with complexity. So they will make Debian even more firmly what it is, and ever less likely to explore what it could become. I use and like LLMs, but it does feel like structural social changes are harder to do. For example, creation of new protocols. I hope I'm wrong, and LLMs are used to build collaborative, community projects - not just everyone vibe coding their own incompatible software.
  • a2ff6eeb0 19d ago
    Yes, because LLMs have no online learning, it's a mistake to innovative in programming languages and tooling. Use what exists instead, the power of having training data is often underestimated.
  • jimmaswell 19d ago
    I use LLM's to make massive structural changes I never would have done by hand all the time. It's intractably tedious for me but easy for an LLM.
    • glhaynes 19d ago
      Yes, I experiment much more. It's easier to justify, and, perhaps more importantly, just WAY psychologically easier to throw away a 20 minute experiment that your robot wrote for you than the same when it took you a week of tedious manual coding.
      • vatsachak 19d ago
        Yeah experimentation is probably the best use case of LLMs
        • glhaynes 18d ago
          And at the end of the experiment I usually have my solution
• TiredOfLife 18d ago
  > Debian will become dependent on proprietary software for development he also seems to have absolutely no idea what he is talking about