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I don't know that unions would necessarily negotiate for no use of AI. The SAG-AFRA deals don't preclude all use of AI; they just requre consent and negotiation

by lambda 20d ago

I don't know that unions would necessarily negotiate for no use of AI. The SAG-AFRA deals don't preclude all use of AI; they just requre consent and negotiation in certain cases. A union doesn't give you unilateral power; it just gives you a better seat at the bargaining table. Capital pools its resources to negotiate better as a single bloc; why shouldn't labor as well?

nurettin 20d ago
I don't have a voice or likeness in my code. Sure, I have a very specific style in all the code I wrote for the past couple of decades, but you can achieve the same outputs with completely orthogonal styles as well. (like AoS vs SoA) so what would I even negotiate for when everything I ever thought of got distilled into neural network weights to be high-pressure sprayed to the masses?
- bayindirh 20d ago
  > so what would I even negotiate for when everything I ever thought of got distilled into neural network weights to be high-pressure sprayed to the masses? For your unique approach to the problems at hand. Yes, 90% of the code written is CRUD, but when it's not, how it's solved matters. This is why we have grown with id Software games. They solved the problems, created new paths and methods for limited hardware for their time. This is why we praised DivX and XviD back in the day. They solved problems again which are caused by the limits of the computers. The way one solves problems matter, makes one valuable. This is why we do research and create new ways to do things. In short, your creativity is being sold/sprayed to masses.
- roosterIllusi0n 19d ago
  Then do it. Hypothetically claiming the job can be automated as an excuse to pay people less is older than everyone alive today. Lying to exploit workers is nothing new. Until you actually remove the need for a human, you have to pay full price for human labor. Which if you used AI is never really going to happen. Someone has to evaluate what AI creates to make sure it does what was asked. This trend of not prosecuting crimes conducted by AI cannot last forever. The CEO would be the only one arrestable as the CEO is the only person with decision power in the company.
Melatonic 20d ago
The giant strikes were hugely based on AI issues
- bayindirh 20d ago
  Yes, and these prevented actors being copied in 3D, in all their likeness and cast for any and every movie they fit practically for free.

by lambda 20d ago

nurettin 20d ago

I don't have a voice or likeness in my code. Sure, I have a very specific style in all the code I wrote for the past couple of decades, but you can achieve the same outputs with completely orthogonal styles as well. (like AoS vs SoA) so what would I even negotiate for when everything I ever thought of got distilled into neural network weights to be high-pressure sprayed to the masses?

bayindirh 20d ago
> so what would I even negotiate for when everything I ever thought of got distilled into neural network weights to be high-pressure sprayed to the masses? For your unique approach to the problems at hand. Yes, 90% of the code written is CRUD, but when it's not, how it's solved matters. This is why we have grown with id Software games. They solved the problems, created new paths and methods for limited hardware for their time. This is why we praised DivX and XviD back in the day. They solved problems again which are caused by the limits of the computers. The way one solves problems matter, makes one valuable. This is why we do research and create new ways to do things. In short, your creativity is being sold/sprayed to masses.
roosterIllusi0n 19d ago
Then do it. Hypothetically claiming the job can be automated as an excuse to pay people less is older than everyone alive today. Lying to exploit workers is nothing new. Until you actually remove the need for a human, you have to pay full price for human labor. Which if you used AI is never really going to happen. Someone has to evaluate what AI creates to make sure it does what was asked. This trend of not prosecuting crimes conducted by AI cannot last forever. The CEO would be the only one arrestable as the CEO is the only person with decision power in the company.

Melatonic 20d ago

The giant strikes were hugely based on AI issues

bayindirh 20d ago
Yes, and these prevented actors being copied in 3D, in all their likeness and cast for any and every movie they fit practically for free.