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He personally ran the department that eviscerated funding for basic scientific research in the United States

by mbgerring 22d ago

thegrim33 22d ago
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- jryan49 22d ago
  Here ya go https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-026-00088-9/index.html https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-026-00088-9/index.ht... Something like 25% cut in new grants. 50% cuts to NSF... You could have just as easily found the data...
  - WalterBright 22d ago
    I did a word search on that article (it's impossible to read with its idiotic presentation), and "musk" is not mentioned.
    - mbgerring 22d ago
      Are you being serious? Are you actually not aware that Elon Musk ran the federal government department tasked with cancelling federal grants and firing government employees in 2025? How is it possible that you are not aware of this?
      - WalterBright 22d ago
        Present some evidence that he cut NSF spending.
        jryan49 22d ago
        A quick Google search will show you... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/26/national-science-foundation-doge-cuts/83282784007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/26/nati... You're just willfully ignorant
        WalterBright 22d ago
        Asking for evidence is not "willfully ignorant". People making claims have the onus of backing them up. Anyhow, the link to the canceled projects is: https://airtable.com/appGKlSVeXniQZkFC/shrFxbl1YTqb3AyOO?jntvk=allRecords&jntvk%3Aview=plaeS6fTnZvbmtQRS&jntvk%3Asort=eyJwZWw4ZlRSME8ycmFObWNUYyI6W119&jntvk%3Agroup=eyJwZWw4ZlRSME8ycmFObWNUYyI6W119 https://airtable.com/appGKlSVeXniQZkFC/shrFxbl1YTqb3AyOO?jnt... I looked at maybe a dozen at random, and only one seemed to have anything about scientific research. Of course, that is not a complete survey, but none of them looked important. I'm sure there are a few that are important. Which one(s) do you think are most important?
        nrr 22d ago
        I might be biased, but everything under the Division of Mathematical Sciences in the MPS directorate is important. Math is one of those weird fields that tends to touch everything else even if not directly, and it's impossible to know prima facie which areas of research will be useful downstream to the sciences and engineering.
        WalterBright 22d ago
        I can go for that, as long as the research proposals are actually about math research.
        nrr 22d ago
        The stuff in Airtable seems to be. The lion's share of what's there is research that has applications to, like, sensors and robotics and AI, even if the abstracts themselves don't state that, likely because the PIs behind those proposals aren't aware of those applications of their work. (Just to illustrate how mathematicians can sometimes embody the archetype of Hans Guck-in-die-Luft: I had someone tell me once that there were no applications of ODEs or PDEs to the sciences or engineering.)
        WalterBright 22d ago

He personally ran the department that eviscerated funding for basic scientific research in the United States

thegrim33 22d ago

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jryan49 22d ago
Here ya go https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-026-00088-9/index.html https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-026-00088-9/index.ht... Something like 25% cut in new grants. 50% cuts to NSF... You could have just as easily found the data...
- WalterBright 22d ago
  I did a word search on that article (it's impossible to read with its idiotic presentation), and "musk" is not mentioned.
  - mbgerring 22d ago
    Are you being serious? Are you actually not aware that Elon Musk ran the federal government department tasked with cancelling federal grants and firing government employees in 2025? How is it possible that you are not aware of this?
    - WalterBright 22d ago
      Present some evidence that he cut NSF spending.
      - jryan49 22d ago
        A quick Google search will show you... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/26/national-science-foundation-doge-cuts/83282784007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/26/nati... You're just willfully ignorant
        WalterBright 22d ago
        Asking for evidence is not "willfully ignorant". People making claims have the onus of backing them up. Anyhow, the link to the canceled projects is: https://airtable.com/appGKlSVeXniQZkFC/shrFxbl1YTqb3AyOO?jntvk=allRecords&jntvk%3Aview=plaeS6fTnZvbmtQRS&jntvk%3Asort=eyJwZWw4ZlRSME8ycmFObWNUYyI6W119&jntvk%3Agroup=eyJwZWw4ZlRSME8ycmFObWNUYyI6W119 https://airtable.com/appGKlSVeXniQZkFC/shrFxbl1YTqb3AyOO?jnt... I looked at maybe a dozen at random, and only one seemed to have anything about scientific research. Of course, that is not a complete survey, but none of them looked important. I'm sure there are a few that are important. Which one(s) do you think are most important?
        nrr 22d ago
        I might be biased, but everything under the Division of Mathematical Sciences in the MPS directorate is important. Math is one of those weird fields that tends to touch everything else even if not directly, and it's impossible to know prima facie which areas of research will be useful downstream to the sciences and engineering.
        WalterBright 22d ago
        I can go for that, as long as the research proposals are actually about math research.
        nrr 22d ago
        The stuff in Airtable seems to be. The lion's share of what's there is research that has applications to, like, sensors and robotics and AI, even if the abstracts themselves don't state that, likely because the PIs behind those proposals aren't aware of those applications of their work. (Just to illustrate how mathematicians can sometimes embody the archetype of Hans Guck-in-die-Luft: I had someone tell me once that there were no applications of ODEs or PDEs to the sciences or engineering.)
        WalterBright 22d ago