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Do you say the same about Intel, Amd, etc. or is it only big bad China?

by Dah00n 25d ago

InTheArena 25d ago
There's been 40 years of documented push back when western governments try to backdoor things - starting with clipper. Pushback is not always successful - but it's far more transparent then China.
- linkregister 25d ago
  Are there any documented cases of backdoors being present in Chinese hardware at time of manufacturing?
  - bryant 25d ago
    Two just this year, CVE-2026-66747 and CVE-2026-11405.
    - linkregister 25d ago
      Those are both great examples. I think this doesn't obliterate my point, though it weakens it. The manufacturer in CVE-2026-11405 is already out of business, and the one in CVE-2026-66747 is unlikely to continue as a going concern. Would Xiaomi or the CCP accept the reputational and legal risk of getting caught with a backdoor? Recall the CCP considered the arrest of the Huawei executive in Canada as an offense against itself.
  - hedora 25d ago
    Probably, but you are asking the wrong question: Is it legal to produce non-backdoored networked devices or services in China? The answer to that question in the US is within epsilon of “no” thanks to the cloud act. Europe and China have passed similar laws. However, China has a reputation for passing laws then selectively enforcing them. Maybe if you get on the right side of the right party member, the answer might still be “Yes” there. Anyway, the next question to ask is: Who would I rather backdoor my device? I doubt the Chinese government cares much about me, and unless I vacation there it’s an international incident if they, say, hack my car and murder me by aiming it at a tree at 95mph, like the CIA apparently does now: https://www.motor1.com/news/138679/wikileaks-claim-cia-hack-cars/#:~:text=WikiLeaks%3A%20CIA%20can,%22potential%20mission%20areas.%22 https://www.motor1.com/news/138679/wikileaks-claim-cia-hack-... Of course, the US government banned cars from China. Presumably this is because they do not have the mandated remote murder network port open, or, if they do, the US doesn’t have the necessary permissions to access it.
- holoduke 25d ago
  Too many propoganda leads to expressions like yours. Sorry your story has zero foundation and is fox news quality.
  - hedora 25d ago
    Like a stopped clock, Fox News is right once or twice a day. For instance election tampering in the US is a well-documented thing: However it almost always favors republicans in districts with electronic voting machines that do not generate paper trails. As for the person you are replying to, their claims have been documented by most media outlets, places like wikileaks, and their claims are backed by US legal requirements to backdoor stuff (like the US Cloud act).
- Barrin92 25d ago
  >There's been 40 years of documented push back when western governments try to backdoor things A bit of selective memory necessary for that take given good old Crypto AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
szatkus 25d ago
My opinion about Trump is as bad as the next guy's, but we still have better relation with the USA than with China. And it's not like we have much choice.
- deleted 25d ago
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Do you say the same about Intel, Amd, etc. or is it only big bad China?

by Dah00n 25d ago

Do you say the same about Intel, Amd, etc. or is it only big bad China?

There's been 40 years of documented push back when western governments try to backdoor things - starting with clipper. Pushback is not always successful - but it's far more transparent then China.

linkregister 25d ago
Are there any documented cases of backdoors being present in Chinese hardware at time of manufacturing?
- bryant 25d ago
  Two just this year, CVE-2026-66747 and CVE-2026-11405.
  - linkregister 25d ago
    Those are both great examples. I think this doesn't obliterate my point, though it weakens it. The manufacturer in CVE-2026-11405 is already out of business, and the one in CVE-2026-66747 is unlikely to continue as a going concern. Would Xiaomi or the CCP accept the reputational and legal risk of getting caught with a backdoor? Recall the CCP considered the arrest of the Huawei executive in Canada as an offense against itself.
- hedora 25d ago
  Probably, but you are asking the wrong question: Is it legal to produce non-backdoored networked devices or services in China? The answer to that question in the US is within epsilon of “no” thanks to the cloud act. Europe and China have passed similar laws. However, China has a reputation for passing laws then selectively enforcing them. Maybe if you get on the right side of the right party member, the answer might still be “Yes” there. Anyway, the next question to ask is: Who would I rather backdoor my device? I doubt the Chinese government cares much about me, and unless I vacation there it’s an international incident if they, say, hack my car and murder me by aiming it at a tree at 95mph, like the CIA apparently does now: https://www.motor1.com/news/138679/wikileaks-claim-cia-hack-cars/#:~:text=WikiLeaks%3A%20CIA%20can,%22potential%20mission%20areas.%22 https://www.motor1.com/news/138679/wikileaks-claim-cia-hack-... Of course, the US government banned cars from China. Presumably this is because they do not have the mandated remote murder network port open, or, if they do, the US doesn’t have the necessary permissions to access it.
holoduke 25d ago
Too many propoganda leads to expressions like yours. Sorry your story has zero foundation and is fox news quality.
- hedora 25d ago
  Like a stopped clock, Fox News is right once or twice a day. For instance election tampering in the US is a well-documented thing: However it almost always favors republicans in districts with electronic voting machines that do not generate paper trails. As for the person you are replying to, their claims have been documented by most media outlets, places like wikileaks, and their claims are backed by US legal requirements to backdoor stuff (like the US Cloud act).
Barrin92 25d ago
>There's been 40 years of documented push back when western governments try to backdoor things A bit of selective memory necessary for that take given good old Crypto AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

szatkus 25d ago

My opinion about Trump is as bad as the next guy's, but we still have better relation with the USA than with China. And it's not like we have much choice.

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