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> My view is that these sorts of things are not possible for AI in general. I wonder what it would take build an artificial system that has these qualities. >

> My view is that these sorts of things are not possible for AI in general. I wonder what it would take build an artificial system that has these qualities. > Software deals with metaphors. This is me wondering again: what's fundamentally different between software running on a machine compared to what's happening in our brains? In both cases you have energy flow following a pattern. It's conceivable to create a system where energy flows in a particular way. BTW, we navigate the world of an uncountable number of particles by creating models in our heads of what we think are large things out there. Approximations are made by both artificial and biological systems.

ddj231 25d ago
> what's fundamentally different between software running on a machine compared to what's happening in our brains? In both cases you have energy flow following a pattern. Assuming we’ve scratched the surface of the complexity of the brain. I’d say in one case a human with a will is steering that flow of energy. In the other case it is a probabilistic algorithm steering the flow of energy. The AI is not interacting with world with its own will. I see that as a big difference. There are presuppositions that go beyond the realm of software engineering that guide one’s views of these things. One is whether you believe the material world is all that is, and that human consciousness is a product of the brain—or that there is such a thing as the soul or spirit of man. From the material perspective you may posit that if you emulate the brain then a sort of AI consciousness could arise. Or that emulating the patterns of the brain equates to emulating personhood. (Though what is material consciousness? I’d say consciousness is by nature immaterial.) I’m not a materialist, and I don’t believe the conclusions that arise from it’s perspectives are accurate.

ddj231 25d ago

> what's fundamentally different between software running on a machine compared to what's happening in our brains? In both cases you have energy flow following a pattern. Assuming we’ve scratched the surface of the complexity of the brain. I’d say in one case a human with a will is steering that flow of energy. In the other case it is a probabilistic algorithm steering the flow of energy. The AI is not interacting with world with its own will. I see that as a big difference. There are presuppositions that go beyond the realm of software engineering that guide one’s views of these things. One is whether you believe the material world is all that is, and that human consciousness is a product of the brain—or that there is such a thing as the soul or spirit of man. From the material perspective you may posit that if you emulate the brain then a sort of AI consciousness could arise. Or that emulating the patterns of the brain equates to emulating personhood. (Though what is material consciousness? I’d say consciousness is by nature immaterial.) I’m not a materialist, and I don’t believe the conclusions that arise from it’s perspectives are accurate.