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eru 27d ago
You are giving me too much credit: it's made up evidence. It's an illustration that rarity doesn't equal value, and doesn't depend on whether I actually own a wastebook or ten.
- asdfsa32 27d ago
  Your point is understood but the crux of the issue is a bit similar to capital punishment, the argument is that risk of losing even one innocent person or useful book isn't worth taking; specially considering the value created for society as part of such risky undertaking, whatever it is exercising capital punishment or scanning and destroying books.
  - eru 27d ago
    Whenever you build a highway or a bridge or a power plant, your engineers have to put a money value on human life, or at least the worth of a statistical human life. Just to make ordinary engineering decisions. And refusing to do this exercise just means that you behave as-if you put a really silly number on the value of human life, and probably not consistent between different parts of the project. So I don't quite agree with these taboos in the absolute. (I'm still against capital punishment on practical grounds.) For books it's similar: if you taboo book destruction for the AI training folks, that doesn't rescue books from their ordinary pre-AI life cycle of getting destroyed all the time in the course of running a publisher or a library or a second-hand book store. In fact, the AI craze is what's giving rare books _value_ and incentivises people to dig them up and preserve them. Or at least preserve them long enough to be scanned. The scanning might destroy the physical copy of that book, but they save the contents. That's the whole point of scanning after all.
    - asdfsa32 27d ago
      I am well aware of the Statistical Value of Life and how it impacts projects. But that is generally used for allocating preventative measures. No road is going to get approved if it is going to result in random deaths by design.
      - eru 26d ago
        Roads with cars on it do result in random deaths. The preventative measures only prevent deaths that the road itself caused.
        asdfsa32 26d ago
        Roads do not result in random deaths, drivers, and to a much lesser extent poorly maintained cars do. I know it might sound like a distinction without difference, but when it comes to safety measures, this distinction does matter. Roads that cause random deaths or are the reason for accidents (whatever by their physical design, control systems, surface coating, or allowed speed) are generally illegal in most places and require strict exemptions for geographically challenging places.

eru 27d ago

You are giving me too much credit: it's made up evidence. It's an illustration that rarity doesn't equal value, and doesn't depend on whether I actually own a wastebook or ten.

asdfsa32 27d ago
Your point is understood but the crux of the issue is a bit similar to capital punishment, the argument is that risk of losing even one innocent person or useful book isn't worth taking; specially considering the value created for society as part of such risky undertaking, whatever it is exercising capital punishment or scanning and destroying books.
- eru 27d ago
  Whenever you build a highway or a bridge or a power plant, your engineers have to put a money value on human life, or at least the worth of a statistical human life. Just to make ordinary engineering decisions. And refusing to do this exercise just means that you behave as-if you put a really silly number on the value of human life, and probably not consistent between different parts of the project. So I don't quite agree with these taboos in the absolute. (I'm still against capital punishment on practical grounds.) For books it's similar: if you taboo book destruction for the AI training folks, that doesn't rescue books from their ordinary pre-AI life cycle of getting destroyed all the time in the course of running a publisher or a library or a second-hand book store. In fact, the AI craze is what's giving rare books _value_ and incentivises people to dig them up and preserve them. Or at least preserve them long enough to be scanned. The scanning might destroy the physical copy of that book, but they save the contents. That's the whole point of scanning after all.
  - asdfsa32 27d ago
    I am well aware of the Statistical Value of Life and how it impacts projects. But that is generally used for allocating preventative measures. No road is going to get approved if it is going to result in random deaths by design.
    - eru 26d ago
      Roads with cars on it do result in random deaths. The preventative measures only prevent deaths that the road itself caused.
      - asdfsa32 26d ago
        Roads do not result in random deaths, drivers, and to a much lesser extent poorly maintained cars do. I know it might sound like a distinction without difference, but when it comes to safety measures, this distinction does matter. Roads that cause random deaths or are the reason for accidents (whatever by their physical design, control systems, surface coating, or allowed speed) are generally illegal in most places and require strict exemptions for geographically challenging places.