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It sucks to see Github's fall from grace, but I just can't bring myself to use a service like this under the custody of SpaceX. Agreed. It's like going from ba

by jm4 29d ago

It sucks to see Github's fall from grace, but I just can't bring myself to use a service like this under the custody of SpaceX. Agreed. It's like going from bad to worse. Not to mention, Origin doesn't even support actions. They are doing the easiest part of git hosting and no mention of anything that actually makes Github what it is. What Origin is offering is literally a weekend project, and anything having to do with Elon is arguably one of the least trustworthy organizations in whatever industry he chooses to participate in. No, thank you. This is going nowhere. GitLab is the cautionary tale. Massive funding, nine figures of ARR, years of losses, and most of the revenue comes from self-managed enterprise licenses rather than the SaaS. If the best-funded attempt lands there, I don't see how this one goes anywhere when they have not even a minimum viable product and reputational issues right out of the gate.

a34729t 29d ago
Actions should be decoupled from the version control system.
- maccard 29d ago
  I disagree. The integrated workflow of actions, issues, code review and source control is a huge productivity win. There’s a reason people chase a “single pane of glass”.
  - rewgs 29d ago
    A website where one views and interacts with all of these things does not necessitate that all of these things run on the same system. Since this most recent GitHub outage, I'm looking into modularizing my git server, issues, and actions; there's no reason why one going down should bring down all the others.
- fg137 29d ago
  In theory, sure, but the reality is that "development activity" revolves around "codebase". Plenty of projects have separate bug tracker, source code control and CI system. Most people likely prefer GitHub's all-in-one solution, especially for small-medium open source projects.
  - shimman 29d ago
    And do we not see how terrible this is as a result? Hitching your tent to corporations, especially American corporations, is always an exercise in misery.
    - dalemhurley 29d ago
      *Atlassian from Australia has joined the chat*
      - rcleveng 29d ago
        Mostly they joined the chat to show you what real misery is. I tried Jira and they couldn't even handle simple billing without screwing it up. Ugh
        pavo-etc 29d ago
        I recently had to rebuild a jira frontend from scratch just so a single jira tab didn't take down my 8gb MacBook. Support only the subset of features I actually use and it's great. Makes me hate jira even more.
        xvilka 29d ago
        Thankfully, there is a Jira CLI tool[1]. [1] https://github.com/ankitpokhrel/jira-cli/ https://github.com/ankitpokhrel/jira-cli/
        rcleveng 27d ago
        and thankfully there is linear. :-)
    - jingpostmedia 29d ago
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    - fg137 29d ago
spockz 29d ago
The thing with Gitlab is probably that it had to deal with the network effect/winner takes all conundrum. GitHub was first on the scene, it was the first to make a centralised hub popular and it has had the custom of many notable open source projects. Gitlab as a product is miles ahead of GitHub at this point. (Except at the point of scaling very large repositories I gather.) There is just very little money in saas beside the bespoke enterprise contracts. I’m not sure how revenue between GitHub and Gitlab compared before the Microsoft acquisition and now but GitHub has always leaned on being the popular tool with the network.
benjismith 29d ago
What do you mean by "Github's fall from grace"? What happened?
- michaelbuckbee 29d ago
  https://www.githubstatus.com/history https://www.githubstatus.com/history
  - joshuahedlund 29d ago
    Is this a result of too much activity on GitHub (AI-driven jump in repos), though, rather than a fall?
    - michaelbuckbee 29d ago
      Mostly it seems like greatly increased usage pushing their systems to the limit.
    - figassis 29d ago
      SO a company Github's size can't handle the slop they invested a lot to enable and this is not a failure? I mean if the market moves and you cannot move with it, what do we call it?
  - benjismith 29d ago
    Ahhh okay. They've definitely had some growing pains. By "fall from grace", I assumed you meant some sort of ethical/trust failure.
    - JoshTriplett 29d ago
      That too, ever since they decided everything on GitHub was fair game for training AI without respecting its license.
      - solid_fuel 29d ago
mplewis 29d ago
What does make GitHub what it is? Weekly downtime that cripples our companies?
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by jm4 29d ago

a34729t 29d ago

Actions should be decoupled from the version control system.

maccard 29d ago
I disagree. The integrated workflow of actions, issues, code review and source control is a huge productivity win. There’s a reason people chase a “single pane of glass”.
- rewgs 29d ago
  A website where one views and interacts with all of these things does not necessitate that all of these things run on the same system. Since this most recent GitHub outage, I'm looking into modularizing my git server, issues, and actions; there's no reason why one going down should bring down all the others.
fg137 29d ago
In theory, sure, but the reality is that "development activity" revolves around "codebase". Plenty of projects have separate bug tracker, source code control and CI system. Most people likely prefer GitHub's all-in-one solution, especially for small-medium open source projects.
- shimman 29d ago
  And do we not see how terrible this is as a result? Hitching your tent to corporations, especially American corporations, is always an exercise in misery.
  - dalemhurley 29d ago
    *Atlassian from Australia has joined the chat*
    - rcleveng 29d ago
      Mostly they joined the chat to show you what real misery is. I tried Jira and they couldn't even handle simple billing without screwing it up. Ugh
      - pavo-etc 29d ago
        I recently had to rebuild a jira frontend from scratch just so a single jira tab didn't take down my 8gb MacBook. Support only the subset of features I actually use and it's great. Makes me hate jira even more.
        xvilka 29d ago
        Thankfully, there is a Jira CLI tool[1]. [1] https://github.com/ankitpokhrel/jira-cli/ https://github.com/ankitpokhrel/jira-cli/
        rcleveng 27d ago
        and thankfully there is linear. :-)
  - jingpostmedia 29d ago
    [flagged]
  - fg137 29d ago

spockz 29d ago

The thing with Gitlab is probably that it had to deal with the network effect/winner takes all conundrum. GitHub was first on the scene, it was the first to make a centralised hub popular and it has had the custom of many notable open source projects. Gitlab as a product is miles ahead of GitHub at this point. (Except at the point of scaling very large repositories I gather.) There is just very little money in saas beside the bespoke enterprise contracts. I’m not sure how revenue between GitHub and Gitlab compared before the Microsoft acquisition and now but GitHub has always leaned on being the popular tool with the network.

benjismith 29d ago

What do you mean by "Github's fall from grace"? What happened?

michaelbuckbee 29d ago
https://www.githubstatus.com/history https://www.githubstatus.com/history
- joshuahedlund 29d ago
  Is this a result of too much activity on GitHub (AI-driven jump in repos), though, rather than a fall?
  - michaelbuckbee 29d ago
    Mostly it seems like greatly increased usage pushing their systems to the limit.
  - figassis 29d ago
    SO a company Github's size can't handle the slop they invested a lot to enable and this is not a failure? I mean if the market moves and you cannot move with it, what do we call it?
- benjismith 29d ago
  Ahhh okay. They've definitely had some growing pains. By "fall from grace", I assumed you meant some sort of ethical/trust failure.
  - JoshTriplett 29d ago
    That too, ever since they decided everything on GitHub was fair game for training AI without respecting its license.
    - solid_fuel 29d ago

mplewis 29d ago

What does make GitHub what it is? Weekly downtime that cripples our companies?

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