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This sure looks like a race to the bottom to me, and I love it. If Sol isn't the best model, it is up there... You don't cut the price of the best model for n

This sure looks like a race to the bottom to me, and I love it. If Sol isn't the best model, it is up there... You don't cut the price of the best model for no reason...

andai 1mo ago
You do it if you can afford to do it and your competitor can't.
- psadri 1mo ago
  Who are OpenRouter’s competitors?
  - aurareturn 1mo ago
    OpenRouter doesn't decide on the pricing.
    - resonious 1mo ago
      They do decide on the 5% markup. But as far as I can tell, all other routers just match 5%. Not sure what they're competing on.
      - aurareturn 1mo ago
        Yes but Sol dropping in price by 50% is not OpenRouter deciding. It's OpenAI.
        mcintyre1994 1mo ago
        I don’t think that’s true. OpenAI docs don’t have this price change. I assume they’d be the source for this post if it was true. The banner on OpenRouter for me says Gemini 3.7 discounted for a limited time, but if I click through that I get to this page: https://openrouter.ai/models?discount=true https://openrouter.ai/models?discount=true That shows a bunch of models, including Sol, with a discount. None of them say how long it’s for, but I’d assume in all their cases it’s for a limited time as the banner said, and only on OpenRouter.
        aurareturn 1mo ago
        OpenRouter margins are not 50%.
        stanac 1mo ago
        As I understand OAI is offering discount only for users using the model via OR. Not sure why. Maybe they want OR users to try the model and switch to OAI subscription or something.
        aurareturn 1mo ago
        Yes, but this discount must be coming from OpenAI and not Open Router.
        SyneRyder 29d ago
        It might also be worth noting that the discount is only if OpenAI itself is used as the provider via OpenRouter. The discount does not exist for Azure or Amazon hosted Sol. I posted elsewhere, but the Azure uptime & performance for Sol is truly dire. OpenAI is offering 5x faster latency, 4x faster tokens generation, and vastly better uptime (Azure US has only 87% uptime), all for 50% of the price now. I assume the pricing is to compete with other shiny new models (Grok, Qwen etc), but it might also be to cut-off a truly poorly performing Microsoft hosting experience.
- fileeditview 1mo ago
  That kind of is a reason.
dvt 1mo ago
> This sure looks like a race to the bottom Always has been. My prediction is that both OpenAI and Claude will go bust unless they deliver a killer product. And unlike scrappy startups, they have a pretty serious deadline because creditors will come a-knockin'. There's little to no functional difference between Kimi, Qwen, Sol, Opus, etc. All flagship models are within like 1-5% of each other and the real moat will be what's always been the hard part: making a good product.
- matheusmoreira 1mo ago
  > All flagship models are within like 1-5% of each other Don't know about that. I'm using code review of my lone lisp project as a benchmark. It's a massive parallel code review where a coordinator cuts up the codebase into sections and dispatches agents to consider each part from different perspectives like quality, maintainability, consistency, correctness, rigor, etc. Ran a complete Fable/max code review. Took over a month on a subscription. Now I've switched to OpenAI and am repeating the exact same review with Sol/max. It's still not done yet but preliminary findings suggest Sol can only reproduce 70-90% of Fable's findings. So I think these models aren't as close as we've been led to believe.
  - huflungdung 1mo ago
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  - beacon294 1mo ago
    Check the remainder for hallucination for sure.
    - unreal6 29d ago
      check all for verifiability
      - Lwerewolf 29d ago
        I literally had Fable tell me that I've checked out a nonexistent upstream commit of LMDB - two days ago. Sol called its BS, of course.
livinglist 1mo ago
The lower the merrier.
- oblio 1mo ago
  Competition is good for users.
  - livinglist 1mo ago
    Sorry I meant to say lower, price that is, corrected.
twelvechairs 1mo ago
If you believe https://artificialanalysis.ai/ https://artificialanalysis.ai/ This is basically undercutting KimiK3 and Grok 4.6 where previously utilised gad soke advantages but was a step more expensive
- johnnyApplePRNG 29d ago
  But who can take a benchmarking website seriously when they literally change their benchmarks to appease anthropic, like artificialanalysis.ai did the other day?
- gkbrk 29d ago
  The Offline test ranking of Tracking AI lines up much better with my experience of using the models. https://trackingai.org/home https://trackingai.org/home

This sure looks like a race to the bottom to me, and I love it. If Sol isn't the best model, it is up there... You don't cut the price of the best model for no reason...

andai 1mo ago

You do it if you can afford to do it and your competitor can't.

psadri 1mo ago
Who are OpenRouter’s competitors?
- aurareturn 1mo ago
  OpenRouter doesn't decide on the pricing.
  - resonious 1mo ago
    They do decide on the 5% markup. But as far as I can tell, all other routers just match 5%. Not sure what they're competing on.
    - aurareturn 1mo ago
      Yes but Sol dropping in price by 50% is not OpenRouter deciding. It's OpenAI.
      - mcintyre1994 1mo ago
        I don’t think that’s true. OpenAI docs don’t have this price change. I assume they’d be the source for this post if it was true. The banner on OpenRouter for me says Gemini 3.7 discounted for a limited time, but if I click through that I get to this page: https://openrouter.ai/models?discount=true https://openrouter.ai/models?discount=true That shows a bunch of models, including Sol, with a discount. None of them say how long it’s for, but I’d assume in all their cases it’s for a limited time as the banner said, and only on OpenRouter.
        aurareturn 1mo ago
        OpenRouter margins are not 50%.
        stanac 1mo ago
        As I understand OAI is offering discount only for users using the model via OR. Not sure why. Maybe they want OR users to try the model and switch to OAI subscription or something.
        aurareturn 1mo ago
        Yes, but this discount must be coming from OpenAI and not Open Router.
        SyneRyder 29d ago
        It might also be worth noting that the discount is only if OpenAI itself is used as the provider via OpenRouter. The discount does not exist for Azure or Amazon hosted Sol. I posted elsewhere, but the Azure uptime & performance for Sol is truly dire. OpenAI is offering 5x faster latency, 4x faster tokens generation, and vastly better uptime (Azure US has only 87% uptime), all for 50% of the price now. I assume the pricing is to compete with other shiny new models (Grok, Qwen etc), but it might also be to cut-off a truly poorly performing Microsoft hosting experience.
fileeditview 1mo ago
That kind of is a reason.

dvt 1mo ago

> This sure looks like a race to the bottom Always has been. My prediction is that both OpenAI and Claude will go bust unless they deliver a killer product. And unlike scrappy startups, they have a pretty serious deadline because creditors will come a-knockin'. There's little to no functional difference between Kimi, Qwen, Sol, Opus, etc. All flagship models are within like 1-5% of each other and the real moat will be what's always been the hard part: making a good product.

matheusmoreira 1mo ago
> All flagship models are within like 1-5% of each other Don't know about that. I'm using code review of my lone lisp project as a benchmark. It's a massive parallel code review where a coordinator cuts up the codebase into sections and dispatches agents to consider each part from different perspectives like quality, maintainability, consistency, correctness, rigor, etc. Ran a complete Fable/max code review. Took over a month on a subscription. Now I've switched to OpenAI and am repeating the exact same review with Sol/max. It's still not done yet but preliminary findings suggest Sol can only reproduce 70-90% of Fable's findings. So I think these models aren't as close as we've been led to believe.
- huflungdung 1mo ago
  [dead]
- beacon294 1mo ago
  Check the remainder for hallucination for sure.
  - unreal6 29d ago
    check all for verifiability
    - Lwerewolf 29d ago
      I literally had Fable tell me that I've checked out a nonexistent upstream commit of LMDB - two days ago. Sol called its BS, of course.

livinglist 1mo ago

The lower the merrier.

oblio 1mo ago
Competition is good for users.
- livinglist 1mo ago
  Sorry I meant to say lower, price that is, corrected.

twelvechairs 1mo ago

If you believe https://artificialanalysis.ai/ https://artificialanalysis.ai/ This is basically undercutting KimiK3 and Grok 4.6 where previously utilised gad soke advantages but was a step more expensive

johnnyApplePRNG 29d ago
But who can take a benchmarking website seriously when they literally change their benchmarks to appease anthropic, like artificialanalysis.ai did the other day?
gkbrk 29d ago
The Offline test ranking of Tracking AI lines up much better with my experience of using the models. https://trackingai.org/home https://trackingai.org/home