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Too bad all seems that we are heading to even faster rate of warming. It may end being something we will see by next decade. And it won't be the only big thing

Too bad all seems that we are heading to even faster rate of warming. It may end being something we will see by next decade. And it won't be the only big thing that will be sensibly changing by then.

spwa4 1mo ago
Why? Deindustrializing especially Europe moved factories into coal powered regions. It was put forward as green policy, but how can this result be a surprise to anyone?
- alephnerd 1mo ago
  If that was the case, then global GHG emissions would have remained roughly stagnant for over 2 decades. The reality is the world got richer, and households who 30 years ago would have had little access to electricity, finished manufactured goods, and automotive vehicles can now purchase those. Go visit a village in rural China, India, or Vietnam - 30 years ago plastic bags were nonexistent and industrial fertilizers were rationed, and now tetrapaks, plastics, industrial fertilizers, and heavy machinery like tractors and trucks are everywhere. In 2000, China and India's HDIs were comparable to Cameroon and Ethiopia's present HDI. That isn't the case in 2023 (UNDP HDI calculations have a 2-3 year lag because transnational data collection is hard). And large, poor countries like Pakistan (260 million), DRC (100 million), and Ethiopia (139 million) are now hitting developmental indicators comparable to those two in the early 2000s. Most countries have chosen to use both GreenTech and Coal to expand electricity generation from Vietnam [0] to India [1] to Indonesia [2]. You are talking about 3 billion people living in an economic region that is expected to see 6-8% GDP growth rates for at least the next decade. And even countries at the lower end of the developmental cycle like Pakistan [3][4] and Ethiopia [5] are now doing the same. Frankly, it doesn't matter what reduction Europe does (and Europe's GHG emissions reduction has been massive [6]) because India, ASEAN, and LatAm's GHG emissions expansion eats up any reduction from the EU-27 and US. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/vietnam-allows-coal-miners-raise-output-meet-power-generation-demand-2026-06-10/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/vietnam-allows-coal-... [1] - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/india-fuels-global-growth-planned-coal-mining-capacity-report-says-2026-08-13/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/india-fuels-global-g... [2] - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indonesia-coal-power-phase-out-plan-risk-due-stalled-international-funding-2025-11-17/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indonesia-coal-power... [3] - https://www.climatepolicylab.org/climatesmart/2022/1/27/what-drives-pakistans-coal-fired-power-plant-construction-boom https://www.climatepolicylab.org/climatesmart/2022/1/27/what... [4] - https://www.thefridaytimes.com/19-Jun-2026/thar-coal-pakistan-s-imperative-energy-sovereignty-economic-resilience https://www.thefridaytimes.com/19-Jun-2026/thar-coal-pakista... [5] - https://afrinz.ru/en/2026/07/there-is-a-request-to-supply-60-000-tonnes-of-coal-a-month-russian-trade-representative-in-ethiopia-discusses-prospects-for-russian-business/ https://afrinz.ru/en/2026/07/there-is-a-request-to-supply-60... [6] - https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?time=1980..latest&country=USA~CHN~Asia+%28excl.+China+and+India%29~IND~European+Union+%2828%29~RUS~OWID_AFR~North+America+%28excl.+USA%29~OWID_SAM~OWID_OCE https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-...
  - triceratops 1mo ago
    > Frankly, it doesn't matter what reduction Europe does (and Europe's GHG emissions reduction has been massive [6]) because India and ASEAN's GHG emissions expansion eats up any reduction from the EU-27 and US. You're contradicting yourself. If Europe doesn't reduce emissions expansion doubles.
    - phtrivier 1mo ago
      And China has plans that have some decarbonization baked in - and even the US are decarbonizing, no matter what the current administration says. Can they decarbonize _fast enough_ ? No idea... India and the rest of asia will be interesting - can they leapfrog oil and gas for some sectors ?
      - hammock 1mo ago
        India is very renewable already. Same with Africa. Hundreds of millions if not billions burn wood and biomass for heat and cooking daily
        triceratops 1mo ago
        Definitely not billions. Do you have actual sources for how many? Do you imagine they enjoy wood and dung smoke in their houses, or maybe they'd prefer electric ranges or hot plates powered by solar panels?
        hammock 1mo ago
        About 660 million in India and 1 billion in Africa burn renewables like wood or biomass for cooking, heating and daily energy needs. We could learn from them. Sources: https://news.mongabay.com/2026/07/clean-cooking-expands-at-record-pace-in-africa-but-lags-behind-population-growth/ https://news.mongabay.com/2026/07/clean-cooking-expands-at-r... https://www.fao.org/wood-energy-info-portal/search/detail/en/c/1395457/ https://www.fao.org/wood-energy-info-portal/search/detail/en...
toasty228 1mo ago
If this doesn't get us we still have massive insect extinction, ocean acidification, permafrost thawing, prolonged droughts, etc. There is just no way out at the point, the planet is tanking the damage for now but once it'll crack, and it's starting to, many systems will fail simultaneously, no amount of theatrical green washing will undo the damage
- moffers 1mo ago
  I guess we should probably start looking for a new planet. Nothing else to be done I’m afraid.
  - snaking0776 1mo ago
    I hope this is sarcasm. I sometimes can’t tell here
    - moffers 1mo ago
      It was, but it’s a dry place so I should have made it a bit more obvious
  - voidfunc 1mo ago
    Probably easier to just merge our consciousness with machine based bodies in the long-term. Biology is a bitch compared to mechanical engineering.
    - 27183 1mo ago
      You might consider cracking a book and learning something before opining.
      - voidfunc 1mo ago
        Where's the fun in that?
      - Mallory_Ringess 1mo ago

Too bad all seems that we are heading to even faster rate of warming. It may end being something we will see by next decade. And it won't be the only big thing that will be sensibly changing by then.

spwa4 1mo ago

Why? Deindustrializing especially Europe moved factories into coal powered regions. It was put forward as green policy, but how can this result be a surprise to anyone?

alephnerd 1mo ago
If that was the case, then global GHG emissions would have remained roughly stagnant for over 2 decades. The reality is the world got richer, and households who 30 years ago would have had little access to electricity, finished manufactured goods, and automotive vehicles can now purchase those. Go visit a village in rural China, India, or Vietnam - 30 years ago plastic bags were nonexistent and industrial fertilizers were rationed, and now tetrapaks, plastics, industrial fertilizers, and heavy machinery like tractors and trucks are everywhere. In 2000, China and India's HDIs were comparable to Cameroon and Ethiopia's present HDI. That isn't the case in 2023 (UNDP HDI calculations have a 2-3 year lag because transnational data collection is hard). And large, poor countries like Pakistan (260 million), DRC (100 million), and Ethiopia (139 million) are now hitting developmental indicators comparable to those two in the early 2000s. Most countries have chosen to use both GreenTech and Coal to expand electricity generation from Vietnam [0] to India [1] to Indonesia [2]. You are talking about 3 billion people living in an economic region that is expected to see 6-8% GDP growth rates for at least the next decade. And even countries at the lower end of the developmental cycle like Pakistan [3][4] and Ethiopia [5] are now doing the same. Frankly, it doesn't matter what reduction Europe does (and Europe's GHG emissions reduction has been massive [6]) because India, ASEAN, and LatAm's GHG emissions expansion eats up any reduction from the EU-27 and US. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/vietnam-allows-coal-miners-raise-output-meet-power-generation-demand-2026-06-10/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/vietnam-allows-coal-... [1] - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/india-fuels-global-growth-planned-coal-mining-capacity-report-says-2026-08-13/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/india-fuels-global-g... [2] - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indonesia-coal-power-phase-out-plan-risk-due-stalled-international-funding-2025-11-17/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indonesia-coal-power... [3] - https://www.climatepolicylab.org/climatesmart/2022/1/27/what-drives-pakistans-coal-fired-power-plant-construction-boom https://www.climatepolicylab.org/climatesmart/2022/1/27/what... [4] - https://www.thefridaytimes.com/19-Jun-2026/thar-coal-pakistan-s-imperative-energy-sovereignty-economic-resilience https://www.thefridaytimes.com/19-Jun-2026/thar-coal-pakista... [5] - https://afrinz.ru/en/2026/07/there-is-a-request-to-supply-60-000-tonnes-of-coal-a-month-russian-trade-representative-in-ethiopia-discusses-prospects-for-russian-business/ https://afrinz.ru/en/2026/07/there-is-a-request-to-supply-60... [6] - https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?time=1980..latest&country=USA~CHN~Asia+%28excl.+China+and+India%29~IND~European+Union+%2828%29~RUS~OWID_AFR~North+America+%28excl.+USA%29~OWID_SAM~OWID_OCE https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-...
- triceratops 1mo ago
  > Frankly, it doesn't matter what reduction Europe does (and Europe's GHG emissions reduction has been massive [6]) because India and ASEAN's GHG emissions expansion eats up any reduction from the EU-27 and US. You're contradicting yourself. If Europe doesn't reduce emissions expansion doubles.
  - phtrivier 1mo ago
    And China has plans that have some decarbonization baked in - and even the US are decarbonizing, no matter what the current administration says. Can they decarbonize _fast enough_ ? No idea... India and the rest of asia will be interesting - can they leapfrog oil and gas for some sectors ?
    - hammock 1mo ago
      India is very renewable already. Same with Africa. Hundreds of millions if not billions burn wood and biomass for heat and cooking daily
      - triceratops 1mo ago
        Definitely not billions. Do you have actual sources for how many? Do you imagine they enjoy wood and dung smoke in their houses, or maybe they'd prefer electric ranges or hot plates powered by solar panels?
        hammock 1mo ago
        About 660 million in India and 1 billion in Africa burn renewables like wood or biomass for cooking, heating and daily energy needs. We could learn from them. Sources: https://news.mongabay.com/2026/07/clean-cooking-expands-at-record-pace-in-africa-but-lags-behind-population-growth/ https://news.mongabay.com/2026/07/clean-cooking-expands-at-r... https://www.fao.org/wood-energy-info-portal/search/detail/en/c/1395457/ https://www.fao.org/wood-energy-info-portal/search/detail/en...

toasty228 1mo ago

If this doesn't get us we still have massive insect extinction, ocean acidification, permafrost thawing, prolonged droughts, etc. There is just no way out at the point, the planet is tanking the damage for now but once it'll crack, and it's starting to, many systems will fail simultaneously, no amount of theatrical green washing will undo the damage

moffers 1mo ago
I guess we should probably start looking for a new planet. Nothing else to be done I’m afraid.
- snaking0776 1mo ago
  I hope this is sarcasm. I sometimes can’t tell here
  - moffers 1mo ago
    It was, but it’s a dry place so I should have made it a bit more obvious
- voidfunc 1mo ago
  Probably easier to just merge our consciousness with machine based bodies in the long-term. Biology is a bitch compared to mechanical engineering.
  - 27183 1mo ago
    You might consider cracking a book and learning something before opining.
    - voidfunc 1mo ago
      Where's the fun in that?
    - Mallory_Ringess 1mo ago