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There’s really no cause to raise a panic with lab-grown meat right around the corner. AI, FSD, electric cars, nuclear energy, and drones are eating up most of t
by jimbob45 1mo ago
There’s really no cause to raise a panic with lab-grown meat right around the corner. AI, FSD, electric cars, nuclear energy, and drones are eating up most of the VC money right now but lab-grown meat is waiting in the wings to take over in the next few decades.
- doy3n 1mo agoI had to make an account to tell you to look again; lab-grown meat isn't at all a given or even a good alternative. 98% reduction in biomass in twenty years isn't a cause for alarm?
- edoceo 1mo agoWhy lab meat? Plants are right here now, require very little electricity, the sun is free, they can't run away, many can be eaten with very little preparation. It's both cheap and easy.
- energy123 1mo agoBecause not everyone shares your preference and/or discipline for plants. Lab grown meat doesn't require a planetary scale realignment of moral values and habits.
- williamdclt 1mo agohabits, no. But difficult argument to make that lab-grown meat requires _less_ of a "moral value realignment" than plant-based food?
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- soulofmischief 1mo agoSome might argue that ignorance or apathy doesn't reduce someone's participation as a consumer in a very inhumane and climate-wrecking meat industry down to simply "preference". I do agree it's unrealistic to expect 8 billion people to change their habits overnight, but we are going to see a massive prisoner's dilemma as resources dwindle until that 8 billion number starts falling.
- energy123 1mo agoThat's a moral judgement about what words to use that has no bearing on causality. Incentives are never a valid justification but they are almost always an explanation. We should care about explanations when trying to solve problems.
- soulofmischief 1mo agoI agree, designing institutions around incentives is key. But the discussion around factory farms can shaped around ethics and not morals, and I had taken the opportunity to point out that "preference" reads as unwarranted euphemism in the face of the brutality of modern factory farming, and downplays the agency of the individual as a participant. Past that, we are in full agreement that it's more fruitful to solve the problem rather than sit around making judgements.
- account42 1mo ago> Lab grown meat doesn't require a planetary scale realignment of moral values and habits. It absolutely does until it's actually something normal people call "meat" which is still a long long way off.
- toshinoriyagi 1mo agoVarious plants (dark leafy greens/cruciferous vegetables) do make up the foundation of a healthy diet, but do not provide significant protein or fats. Meat is very useful from a dietary perspective. You can make a quality vegan/vegetarian diet, but hitting high protein goals for those who are active can be difficult. The majority of vegetarian+ protein options are also high in carbs. Plus, meat is tasty. It makes perfect sense people look forward to lab-grown variants that are ethically sourced and have no adverse health effects.
- throwaway2037 1mo ago> but do not provide significant protein or fats Uh what? Seed oils. Avocados. Tofu / seitan / tempeh.
- toshinoriyagi 1mo agoSure, but a seed oil is not a plant. The oil is extracted from a plant. You can eat all the plants you want, but unless you directly consume the processed extract, you won't be getting much fat. Avocados are a source of healthy fats. However, this still leaves you deficient in EPA. Conversion from ALA is trash, so the only option to my knowledge is seaweed/algae and you would massively over-consume other nutrients trying to hit the DRI for EPA. Your only option is supplementing with algae pills I think. From a quick glance, this is 2-3x as expensive as fish/fish oil. Tofu, seitan, and tempeh all have protein, but they differ from animal protein in that they are "cut" with lots of carbs and fat. I am on a protein-sparing modified fast (PSMF) for bodybuilding goals right now, and there are no viable non-animal whole sources of protein (so, excluding pea protein isolate etc.) I can have. Even seitan is only ~81% protein by calories, which is too low. I am targeting 90% calories from protein right now. They are definitely good options, along with lentils (which have a similar problem of having more carbs than protein), for vegetarianism+. But they are not a perfect substitute as you cannot get nearly pure protein from them. They also tend to lack the BCAAs that make up a large portion of muscle. So, you can fulfill most dietary goals purely vegan, but it is harder and more expensive due to limited options.
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- Barbing 1mo agocan't run away, fantastic
- mock-possum 1mo agoThey don’t taste the same though
- voidUpdate 1mo agoIf your lab meat is running away, something has gone very wrong
- ChoGGi 1mo agoNah, I like the taste of fear and adrenaline; give it brains and a source of horror.
- ChrisRR 1mo agoBecause I say this as an ex vegetarian, meat tastes good.
- efskap 1mo ago"Lab" grown meat of the aquatic variety has been around for eons in the form of mussels and other bivalves. No central nervous system to suffer, similar nutritional profile that fills in plant-based gaps, extracts nutrients from the water instead of polluting it, and grown on ropes. However the concern here is not just finding something tasty for humans to eat.
- pjc50 1mo agoPeople aren't going to stop catching and eating fish until it is legislated against, globally.