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If you don't feel tired, are you really? I'm curious what are the objective metrics to determine someone is tired

usui 1mo ago
Isn't the answer yes if people still die from overwork despite being caffeined up?
odo1242 1mo ago
Caffeine doesn't actually do any of the things sleep does to your brain. If you drink coffee during a late night, you won't feel as tired, but your brain performs worse, your reflexes are slower, you're less likely to remember things, etc. It's like painting over a rusted car instead of properly maintaining it, basically.
- binary132 1mo ago
  I think GP was just making a point about the fact that “tired” is a subjective experience, like pain. Arguably, if you’re on pain medication, you’re not in pain, even if your body is sending pain signals that your brain just isn’t receiving or paying attention to.
  - Gooblebrai 1mo ago
    Indeed. Pain is also interesting because chronic pain, AFAIK is sometimes a misfiring of pain signals even when nothing is physically wrong. Turning off that misfiring with drugs would be dangerous (pain is an alert) but also improve the quality of life of so many people!
npunt 1mo ago
Tiredness is a signal that the body/brain needs rest so the glymphatic system can go to work. You can lose the signal but still need rest. If your brain doesn't flush metabolic waste periodically you develop brain fog, bad memory, and increased risk of Alzheimer's, and you'll eventually die, as sleep deprivation studies have found.
jkahrs595 1mo ago
If I’m on morphine is my leg even still broken?
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wmf 1mo ago
Michael Jackson is the ultimate case study for this.
burningChrome 1mo ago
You have the ability to mentally push through a lot of stuff, but there are a host of signals your body will use to warn you such as: cognitive performance (although this is hard for yourself to actually admit its happening), behavioral indicators like yawning, head bobbing, frequent posture changes, and slowed speech are just a few indicators. Irritability is another big red flag. I've only had two instances where I ignored all the signs and continue to push on until my body literally shut down on me. Finals week in college as an architecture student trying to finish a final studio project, and study for four finals. 5 days, 3 hours of sleep. That was one of them.

usui 1mo ago

Isn't the answer yes if people still die from overwork despite being caffeined up?

Caffeine doesn't actually do any of the things sleep does to your brain. If you drink coffee during a late night, you won't feel as tired, but your brain performs worse, your reflexes are slower, you're less likely to remember things, etc. It's like painting over a rusted car instead of properly maintaining it, basically.

binary132 1mo ago
I think GP was just making a point about the fact that “tired” is a subjective experience, like pain. Arguably, if you’re on pain medication, you’re not in pain, even if your body is sending pain signals that your brain just isn’t receiving or paying attention to.
- Gooblebrai 1mo ago
  Indeed. Pain is also interesting because chronic pain, AFAIK is sometimes a misfiring of pain signals even when nothing is physically wrong. Turning off that misfiring with drugs would be dangerous (pain is an alert) but also improve the quality of life of so many people!

npunt 1mo ago

Tiredness is a signal that the body/brain needs rest so the glymphatic system can go to work. You can lose the signal but still need rest. If your brain doesn't flush metabolic waste periodically you develop brain fog, bad memory, and increased risk of Alzheimer's, and you'll eventually die, as sleep deprivation studies have found.

jkahrs595 1mo ago

If I’m on morphine is my leg even still broken?

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wmf 1mo ago

Michael Jackson is the ultimate case study for this.

burningChrome 1mo ago

You have the ability to mentally push through a lot of stuff, but there are a host of signals your body will use to warn you such as: cognitive performance (although this is hard for yourself to actually admit its happening), behavioral indicators like yawning, head bobbing, frequent posture changes, and slowed speech are just a few indicators. Irritability is another big red flag. I've only had two instances where I ignored all the signs and continue to push on until my body literally shut down on me. Finals week in college as an architecture student trying to finish a final studio project, and study for four finals. 5 days, 3 hours of sleep. That was one of them.