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> There's plenty of housing available if you can tolerate the inconvenience of a shitty commute. I would rather pay for the better location than pay for the la

by gfrecvh 1mo ago

> There's plenty of housing available if you can tolerate the inconvenience of a shitty commute. I would rather pay for the better location than pay for the larger house. The physical size of my home isn't a large factor in my quality of life. The length of my commute is. Now I was going to write "It's really weird to me this isn't a more mainstream view", but given the data we're looking at, seems this view is absolutely the mainstream.

retired 1mo ago
For most people the size of their home reflects the quality of life. Having separate bedrooms for all children, having a room dedicated to a home office, having an outdoor space to relax, having a dedicated EV charger, having a second bathroom to make the morning more streamlined. To a certain point a large house makes life better. So I understand having a 50 minute commute if that means everything in the house is a better experience.
bonesss 1mo ago
Longer commutes aren’t just about work, and that time in the car is not free. Kids, kids sports, kids social lives, and kids schooling can leave people trapped in their cars day in and day out trying to reconcile modern urban socialization expectations and the lower property prices they enjoy because of the minor impracticality. In my specific area the housing price reduction of moving out of the city balances out quickly by the need for a car and/or a second car (our cheap tiny EV works fine for short commutes), particularly if you compare the relative interest rates. I imagine market forces make it so, the financial tradeoffs are reflected in the pricing. Further: as the only available housing at a low price point collects in smaller towns the impact of borderline purchasers becomes more pronounced. As neighbours I don’t care, but as a parent who has seen kids get an unfortunate personality remodel from a near-peer bad influences and listened to the experiences of my parent friends who live out of town… the contemporary local culture needs to be considered. It’s not necessarily the cozy small town upbringing we expected in olden days, there has been generational turnover.
- gfrecvh 1mo ago
  > parent who has seen kids get an unfortunate personality remodel from a near-peer bad influences Scary stuff, I would love to hear more. May I ask what country is this?
- watwut 1mo ago
  > It’s not necessarily the cozy small town upbringing we expected in olden days, there has been generational turnover. It was never that cosy idealistic and the more you read history of those places the more you see it. The vision of pure sainty village is ideological rather then historical. People who live in small towns are people. Some get aggressive, some are alcoholic or gamblers. Some are assholes in other ways. Or just lead long passive aggressive wars about stupid stuff. There are fights, enablement and abuse for similar reasons as in the cities. There is less anonymity which changes things, but the vision of sainty small town was never accurate.

by gfrecvh 1mo ago

retired 1mo ago

For most people the size of their home reflects the quality of life. Having separate bedrooms for all children, having a room dedicated to a home office, having an outdoor space to relax, having a dedicated EV charger, having a second bathroom to make the morning more streamlined. To a certain point a large house makes life better. So I understand having a 50 minute commute if that means everything in the house is a better experience.

bonesss 1mo ago

Longer commutes aren’t just about work, and that time in the car is not free. Kids, kids sports, kids social lives, and kids schooling can leave people trapped in their cars day in and day out trying to reconcile modern urban socialization expectations and the lower property prices they enjoy because of the minor impracticality. In my specific area the housing price reduction of moving out of the city balances out quickly by the need for a car and/or a second car (our cheap tiny EV works fine for short commutes), particularly if you compare the relative interest rates. I imagine market forces make it so, the financial tradeoffs are reflected in the pricing. Further: as the only available housing at a low price point collects in smaller towns the impact of borderline purchasers becomes more pronounced. As neighbours I don’t care, but as a parent who has seen kids get an unfortunate personality remodel from a near-peer bad influences and listened to the experiences of my parent friends who live out of town… the contemporary local culture needs to be considered. It’s not necessarily the cozy small town upbringing we expected in olden days, there has been generational turnover.

gfrecvh 1mo ago
> parent who has seen kids get an unfortunate personality remodel from a near-peer bad influences Scary stuff, I would love to hear more. May I ask what country is this?
watwut 1mo ago
> It’s not necessarily the cozy small town upbringing we expected in olden days, there has been generational turnover. It was never that cosy idealistic and the more you read history of those places the more you see it. The vision of pure sainty village is ideological rather then historical. People who live in small towns are people. Some get aggressive, some are alcoholic or gamblers. Some are assholes in other ways. Or just lead long passive aggressive wars about stupid stuff. There are fights, enablement and abuse for similar reasons as in the cities. There is less anonymity which changes things, but the vision of sainty small town was never accurate.