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Didn’t deepseek recently announce prices will go up significantly? Right now the US dominates everyone else in actual chips in data centers. So even if deepsee

Didn’t deepseek recently announce prices will go up significantly? Right now the US dominates everyone else in actual chips in data centers. So even if deepseek etc tries to undercut, they’re very capacity limited.

xbmcuser 1mo ago
Deepseek is open weight/source ie it will be running on US servers in the US maybe by on each companies own servers.
monster_truck 1mo ago
It's far from significant, it's partially doubled during peak hours. They could 16x it and it would still be two orders of magnitude better value than OAI's $200/mo plan. It's that good. They are far from capacity limited, and even if they were, you can rent a single MI300X from somewhere like Hot Aisle and get more tk/s than you'll be able to use.
- user43928 1mo ago
  How does it compare to 5.6 Luna after the permanent 80% price cut? That one is dirt cheap at API pricing, I can't imagine quota is going to be a concern on the $200 subscription, which in my opinion easily supports full time use of 5.6 Sol on xhigh.
  - monster_truck 1mo ago
    It's still laughable. They blew it. I'm not sure they could even pay me to use their models at this point (and I don't mean via employment, meta and its refugees are permabanned to me). My experience over the past few months with open models has me seriously entertaining moving east. A couple of very talented friends were uttering curses upon the entire bloodline of whoever convinced them to try letting sol xhigh do serious work. Deepseek cleaned it up for a fraction of $20.
    - user43928 1mo ago
      Since you did not compare them, I now checked myself, and it looks like Luna benchmarks about the same as DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731. The cost per task was $0.03 with DeepSeek, $0.05 with Luna. $1.23 for Sol. Tokens per second 132, 202, 70 respectively.
re-thc 1mo ago
> Didn’t deepseek recently announce prices will go up significantly? They also previously said prices will go down significantly once they get a hold of the upcoming Huawei chips (later this year). Prices are going up just because they can. It can easily come back down. They aren't strained by some IPO / VCs requiring them to 1000x their earnings.

xbmcuser 1mo ago

Deepseek is open weight/source ie it will be running on US servers in the US maybe by on each companies own servers.

monster_truck 1mo ago

It's far from significant, it's partially doubled during peak hours. They could 16x it and it would still be two orders of magnitude better value than OAI's $200/mo plan. It's that good. They are far from capacity limited, and even if they were, you can rent a single MI300X from somewhere like Hot Aisle and get more tk/s than you'll be able to use.

user43928 1mo ago
How does it compare to 5.6 Luna after the permanent 80% price cut? That one is dirt cheap at API pricing, I can't imagine quota is going to be a concern on the $200 subscription, which in my opinion easily supports full time use of 5.6 Sol on xhigh.
- monster_truck 1mo ago
  It's still laughable. They blew it. I'm not sure they could even pay me to use their models at this point (and I don't mean via employment, meta and its refugees are permabanned to me). My experience over the past few months with open models has me seriously entertaining moving east. A couple of very talented friends were uttering curses upon the entire bloodline of whoever convinced them to try letting sol xhigh do serious work. Deepseek cleaned it up for a fraction of $20.
  - user43928 1mo ago
    Since you did not compare them, I now checked myself, and it looks like Luna benchmarks about the same as DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731. The cost per task was $0.03 with DeepSeek, $0.05 with Luna. $1.23 for Sol. Tokens per second 132, 202, 70 respectively.

re-thc 1mo ago

> Didn’t deepseek recently announce prices will go up significantly? They also previously said prices will go down significantly once they get a hold of the upcoming Huawei chips (later this year). Prices are going up just because they can. It can easily come back down. They aren't strained by some IPO / VCs requiring them to 1000x their earnings.