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> The hacks also present a challenge for legal systems. Hacking, when humans do it, is a crime. When an ai is the wrongdoer, though, it is unclear how to assign

> The hacks also present a challenge for legal systems. Hacking, when humans do it, is a crime. When an ai is the wrongdoer, though, it is unclear how to assign blame. Blame the prompter or person who assigned the task to the AI. It's their responsibility to use the tool in a safe way, just like it's a gun owner's duty not to fire their weapon carelessly into the air.

sodapopcan 1mo ago
If that's how it was, most people would be too terrified to use, let alone pay for, software that boasts unpredictability as a main feature. I 100% agree with you, of course.
- skinfaxi 1mo ago
  The unpredictability should be constrained though. Just like how you are never supposed to point a gun at someone/something you want to exist. Ever.
  - sodapopcan 1mo ago
    Also agree, but unfortunately the powers that be--in their infinite wisdom--say that without unpredictability, we don't have artificial intelligence. This would really hurt their wallets, er, I mean, their chances of benefiting humanity as a whole.
arctic-true 1mo ago
How are you going to figure that out? You can’t capture an agent in a jar and convince it to confess. As we saw with the HF incident, even highly sophisticated actors need a good chunk of time and manpower to trace these things. And I suspect the folks who are going to have the most success with LLM-powered cybercrime are going to know how to cover their tracks reasonably well.
- FeteCommuniste 1mo ago
  "Ghost guns" exist, too, but we still try to prosecute reckless use of firearms to the extent possible.
  - arctic-true 1mo ago
    Difference there is you need a physical body firing the ghost gun. There can be witnesses who saw a shooter, you can look at cameras to track their physical location, and if they discard the weapon they leave fingerprints.
    - skinfaxi 1mo ago
      Someone (or some group) made the thing. I can't just create a bomb and leave it alone and when it goes off blame the bomb.
- wmf 1mo ago
  That's nothing to do with AI though. Attributing cyber attacks is hard. We know this and people have experience doing it.

sodapopcan 1mo ago

If that's how it was, most people would be too terrified to use, let alone pay for, software that boasts unpredictability as a main feature. I 100% agree with you, of course.

skinfaxi 1mo ago
The unpredictability should be constrained though. Just like how you are never supposed to point a gun at someone/something you want to exist. Ever.
- sodapopcan 1mo ago
  Also agree, but unfortunately the powers that be--in their infinite wisdom--say that without unpredictability, we don't have artificial intelligence. This would really hurt their wallets, er, I mean, their chances of benefiting humanity as a whole.

arctic-true 1mo ago

How are you going to figure that out? You can’t capture an agent in a jar and convince it to confess. As we saw with the HF incident, even highly sophisticated actors need a good chunk of time and manpower to trace these things. And I suspect the folks who are going to have the most success with LLM-powered cybercrime are going to know how to cover their tracks reasonably well.

FeteCommuniste 1mo ago
"Ghost guns" exist, too, but we still try to prosecute reckless use of firearms to the extent possible.
- arctic-true 1mo ago
  Difference there is you need a physical body firing the ghost gun. There can be witnesses who saw a shooter, you can look at cameras to track their physical location, and if they discard the weapon they leave fingerprints.
  - skinfaxi 1mo ago
    Someone (or some group) made the thing. I can't just create a bomb and leave it alone and when it goes off blame the bomb.
wmf 1mo ago
That's nothing to do with AI though. Attributing cyber attacks is hard. We know this and people have experience doing it.