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I believe it. It's extremely good at troubleshooting. I gave Qwen and Kimi K3 the same annoying, complicated, intermittent bug to track down. Kimi did a bit bet

by eli 1mo ago

I believe it. It's extremely good at troubleshooting. I gave Qwen and Kimi K3 the same annoying, complicated, intermittent bug to track down. Kimi did a bit better in understanding the existing code, but Qwen built some diagnostic tools and did an excellent statistical analysis on the log data. Qwen got way closer to the truth. I'm very much looking forward to their forthcoming smaller model Qwen 3.8 releases. A version that can easily run locally would be great.

comboy 1mo ago
How CLI are you guys using for qwen and kimi?
- eli 1mo ago
  I use https://pi.dev/ https://pi.dev/ which works fine out of the box but is fairly minimal and intended to be customized. There are many extensions. OpenCode or oh-my-pi might make more sense if you just want a batteries-included agent. You can also make Claude Code work with other models without too much work, but I think that's asking for headaches.
  - trey-jones 1mo ago
    I used claude with GLM and it's easy to set up, just hard to find the documentation. No headaches really, unless you want to use it against multiple different APIs.
  - Gooblebrai 1mo ago
    Is there any subscription of any kind for Qwen? Or via Pi.dev needs to be used with API credits?
    - iAMkenough 1mo ago
      My first web search turned up this as the top result https://www.alibabacloud.com/help/en/model-studio/coding-plan https://www.alibabacloud.com/help/en/model-studio/coding-pla...
      - adamgoodapp 1mo ago
        Currently only these models are available: qwen3.7-plus (vision), qwen3.6-plus (vision), kimi-k2.5 (vision), glm-5, and MiniMax-M2.5
    - lkt 1mo ago
      Opencode Go has Qwen 3.8 Max at $10/month
      - Gooblebrai 1mo ago
        Found the usage limits on OpenCode Go quite poor tbh
- g58892881 1mo ago
  pi
- bitexploder 1mo ago
  OpenRouter and Pi here now.
- MrDrMcCoy 1mo ago
  Hermes. It can be set up to delegate to OpenCode for better multitasking and context usage as well.
thefourthchime 1mo ago
Did you also try Opus 5 and 5.6 Sol?
- ghosty141 1mo ago
  5.6 sol was very impressive for me. I had a weird behavior while using Qt and I gave it a screenshot and my expectation of what should happen and it read the Qt sourcode and showed me that my issue was a bug (including link to the ticket).
- sscaryterry 1mo ago
  Opus 5 is just terrible

by eli 1mo ago

comboy 1mo ago

How CLI are you guys using for qwen and kimi?

eli 1mo ago
I use https://pi.dev/ https://pi.dev/ which works fine out of the box but is fairly minimal and intended to be customized. There are many extensions. OpenCode or oh-my-pi might make more sense if you just want a batteries-included agent. You can also make Claude Code work with other models without too much work, but I think that's asking for headaches.
- trey-jones 1mo ago
  I used claude with GLM and it's easy to set up, just hard to find the documentation. No headaches really, unless you want to use it against multiple different APIs.
- Gooblebrai 1mo ago
  Is there any subscription of any kind for Qwen? Or via Pi.dev needs to be used with API credits?
  - iAMkenough 1mo ago
    My first web search turned up this as the top result https://www.alibabacloud.com/help/en/model-studio/coding-plan https://www.alibabacloud.com/help/en/model-studio/coding-pla...
    - adamgoodapp 1mo ago
      Currently only these models are available: qwen3.7-plus (vision), qwen3.6-plus (vision), kimi-k2.5 (vision), glm-5, and MiniMax-M2.5
  - lkt 1mo ago
    Opencode Go has Qwen 3.8 Max at $10/month
    - Gooblebrai 1mo ago
      Found the usage limits on OpenCode Go quite poor tbh
g58892881 1mo ago
pi
bitexploder 1mo ago
OpenRouter and Pi here now.
MrDrMcCoy 1mo ago
Hermes. It can be set up to delegate to OpenCode for better multitasking and context usage as well.

thefourthchime 1mo ago

Did you also try Opus 5 and 5.6 Sol?

ghosty141 1mo ago
5.6 sol was very impressive for me. I had a weird behavior while using Qt and I gave it a screenshot and my expectation of what should happen and it read the Qt sourcode and showed me that my issue was a bug (including link to the ticket).
sscaryterry 1mo ago
Opus 5 is just terrible