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My sincere theory is that this is finally the government/politics stepping in to take their cut from the AI revolution. The politicians now have a fee-based str

My sincere theory is that this is finally the government/politics stepping in to take their cut from the AI revolution. The politicians now have a fee-based strategy where they can literally just stick a fee on any upcoming project(s). Pay up if you ever want your permits to go through and construction to get started.

ajkjk 1mo ago
It is probably not that. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49180901 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49180901 posted yesterday explains it well.
DangitBobby 1mo ago
They did it because people didn't want a data center next to the zoo. There was a huge backlash against it, and the locals are very happy that they were listened to, I can promise you. No conspiracy theory necessary.
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Larrikin 1mo ago
You don't need a conspiracy theory. All these data centers were going up in rural/near rural areas that voted for this, but then the data centers made everyone else's electric bills go up. I was for them and now I'm against them until they pay for their own electricity.
- altcognito 1mo ago
  > I was for them and now I'm against them until they pay for their own electricity. Exactly my sentiment. I don't even understand how this is controversial. The only ones who don't seem to get it are everyone making the plans (including the folks in government) They're just trying to reduce the risk and lead time to gain an advantage. I'm a huge AI supporter and there's no way to advocate for them. They've just blown all the good will out of the water.
snaking0776 1mo ago
While I’m sure there are people profiting off these movements, there is very real grassroots support for blocking datacenters and generally anything relating to AI and I can’t blame anyone other than the companies building it. I think in 30 years this will be studied as the worst marketed technology ever. It’s one thing if outsiders try to say your technology is dangerous, it’s another if the companies themselves are telling the public that they’re technology is either going to a) exterminate humanity or b) eliminate all jobs and institute a permanent underclass. I think they’re right that these are concerns and while our niche tech bubble maybe thinking also about the potential scientific benefits of the technology, all the wider world sees is multi-national tech companies taking advantage of areas with high political inequality to push through genuinely unfair contracts that saddle utility rate payers with higher fees, potentially negative health effects, and with very little long term job creation. This is also coming from companies that have ignored complaints about the overriding addiction and division which their platforms have allowed to propagate over the last 20 years all while many Americans watch historic levels of corruption in government in favor of those same companies go unpunished. At this point I think the tech world has really burnt all of its political capital with the wider populace and while we may sit back and complain that progress is being blocked by luddites, its not irrational to want to block the creation of a technology which you will pay the cost for while seeing a disproportionately small percentage of the rewards. I think if we’re going to see the actual proliferation of this tech and the benefits it will bring, their needs to be a) more publicized news of real benefits to human quality of life in visible fields like medicine and b) an actual plan for how to confer the rewards of technology more widely rather than just continuing to center in the hands of so few people and not just approaching it as higher gdp but also lower wealth inequality as long as its correlated with political power
- bulbar 1mo ago
  > while our niche tech bubble maybe thinking also about the potential scientific benefits of the technology While all the academic talk about benevolent AI is fascinating, it has become quite clear that the development is driven by billionaires to become richer and big companies to get more revenue. Everything else is just billionaires playing the tech bubble, so that they can rationalize what's happening and what they are part of.
xyzzy123 1mo ago
The value prop for the crazy sounding idea of putting GPUs into orbit.

ajkjk 1mo ago

It is probably not that. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49180901 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49180901 posted yesterday explains it well.

DangitBobby 1mo ago

They did it because people didn't want a data center next to the zoo. There was a huge backlash against it, and the locals are very happy that they were listened to, I can promise you. No conspiracy theory necessary.

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Larrikin 1mo ago

You don't need a conspiracy theory. All these data centers were going up in rural/near rural areas that voted for this, but then the data centers made everyone else's electric bills go up. I was for them and now I'm against them until they pay for their own electricity.

altcognito 1mo ago
> I was for them and now I'm against them until they pay for their own electricity. Exactly my sentiment. I don't even understand how this is controversial. The only ones who don't seem to get it are everyone making the plans (including the folks in government) They're just trying to reduce the risk and lead time to gain an advantage. I'm a huge AI supporter and there's no way to advocate for them. They've just blown all the good will out of the water.

snaking0776 1mo ago

While I’m sure there are people profiting off these movements, there is very real grassroots support for blocking datacenters and generally anything relating to AI and I can’t blame anyone other than the companies building it. I think in 30 years this will be studied as the worst marketed technology ever. It’s one thing if outsiders try to say your technology is dangerous, it’s another if the companies themselves are telling the public that they’re technology is either going to a) exterminate humanity or b) eliminate all jobs and institute a permanent underclass. I think they’re right that these are concerns and while our niche tech bubble maybe thinking also about the potential scientific benefits of the technology, all the wider world sees is multi-national tech companies taking advantage of areas with high political inequality to push through genuinely unfair contracts that saddle utility rate payers with higher fees, potentially negative health effects, and with very little long term job creation. This is also coming from companies that have ignored complaints about the overriding addiction and division which their platforms have allowed to propagate over the last 20 years all while many Americans watch historic levels of corruption in government in favor of those same companies go unpunished. At this point I think the tech world has really burnt all of its political capital with the wider populace and while we may sit back and complain that progress is being blocked by luddites, its not irrational to want to block the creation of a technology which you will pay the cost for while seeing a disproportionately small percentage of the rewards. I think if we’re going to see the actual proliferation of this tech and the benefits it will bring, their needs to be a) more publicized news of real benefits to human quality of life in visible fields like medicine and b) an actual plan for how to confer the rewards of technology more widely rather than just continuing to center in the hands of so few people and not just approaching it as higher gdp but also lower wealth inequality as long as its correlated with political power

bulbar 1mo ago
> while our niche tech bubble maybe thinking also about the potential scientific benefits of the technology While all the academic talk about benevolent AI is fascinating, it has become quite clear that the development is driven by billionaires to become richer and big companies to get more revenue. Everything else is just billionaires playing the tech bubble, so that they can rationalize what's happening and what they are part of.

xyzzy123 1mo ago

The value prop for the crazy sounding idea of putting GPUs into orbit.