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I remember after that release everyone was saying "well obviously google is going to win this, we all knew it, they have the data and the infrastructure"
by egillie 1mo ago
I remember after that release everyone was saying "well obviously google is going to win this, we all knew it, they have the data and the infrastructure"
- marcuschong 1mo agoWhat's more annoying is that so many people say it with a passion. Like it's about their favorite soccer team or something.
- DrewADesign 1mo agoMore like sects of a major religion. Or, a minor and incredibly expensive religion, in this case.
- puzzlingcaptcha 1mo agoTribalism is human nature, for better or (usually) worse.
- DrewADesign 1mo agoAs are mass hysteria dynamics.
- Andrex 1mo agohttps://youtu.be/HTpbpxNc6c0 https://youtu.be/HTpbpxNc6c0 The more things change...
- zarzavat 1mo agoAll of that is true, Google should be winning. We underestimated Google's determination to fail.
- weatherlite 1mo agoIs it failing ? Take a look at the stock price
- Filligree 1mo agoTheir stock price won’t matter once OpenAI launches the paperclippers.
- weatherlite 1mo agoNot sure what you mean
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- Cockbrand 1mo agoThis refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence#Paperclip_maximizer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence#Paper.... Here's a popular game based on it: https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html
- ShadowOfThePit 1mo agoWhy am I being tricked into playing another cookie clicker
- estimator7292 1mo agoEnron's stock was pretty good, too. Stock price is not a measure of success.
- gniv 1mo agoJust because it is (was) close to all-time high doesn't mean it's high. Look at the P/E[1]. The market does not think it will grow long-term. [1] And yes I know it's artificially lowered due to the mark-to-market gains in investments, but even without those it's low compared to peers.
- ethbr1 1mo agoOne of the most corrosive effects of being large and old (and Google is old by this point) is institutional inertia and individual internal optimization. The former caused by the latter. And the latter a problem once you begin to get executives and leaders who have mostly worked inside the company, because then they subconsciously prefer the Company Way(tm) to alternatives. And Google has some previously-optimal, now-detrimental company ways.
- galangalalgol 1mo agoIs Gemini really that bad? I mean, I would always prefer anthropic for agentic coding, and apparently openai has the math thing cornered, but if I'm using ai like a search engine gemini does that just fine. That may be all they were actually aiming for whatever else they say.
- trollbridge 1mo agoIt’s not bad. It’s just not better than other models. It’s very much in the same class as Grok, Cursor Grok Build, etc.
- WarmWash 1mo agoIt's vision capabilities are still top notch, and it seems pretty natural that most everyday human users are going to want strong vision over strong language/coding.
- wongarsu 1mo agoIf you need a less censored model that's still pretty smart and capable of some lateral thinking, it's great Same niche as Grok, which is also great at search and less censored. Gemini is maybe a bit smarter and better on long contexts
- scottyah 1mo agoGemini works amazingly well, and is better suited for most use cases. When most people speak of it negatively (especially here), it's just with the task of coding, which is a small subset of what google should be training its AI for.
- lII1lIlI11ll 1mo ago> Is Gemini really that bad? It still produce full-blown hallucinations for me sometimes, even in 2026. The kinds ChatGPT stopped generating by 2025. It is cheap and fast though.
- ghtbircshotbe 1mo agoI feel like the majority of ai use by normal people is through Google search, so that's kind of a win. I'm confused by meta's capex though. Are they planning on becoming a cloud provider, or just throwing money away like with the metaverse?
- WarmWash 1mo agoIn an interview, Zuck said that the cost of not having super intelligent AI is far more than the cost of trying to develop it.
- 0xpgm 1mo agoFrom my understanding (I may be wrong) what is happening now is that frontier labs are doubling down on doing RLHF on their models using the user interaction with their own tools e.g. Anthropic making their models better at producing code with claude code. Perhaps the top Google researchers do not see this kind of narrow focus as a path to more generally beneficial AI technology.
- ozgrakkurt 1mo agoIt is pretty surprising if you see this as “pretty much everyone has figured out the way to success on any field”. Our way of seeing life is really bizzare
- TacticalCoder 1mo agoGoogle owns 15% of Anthropic. They'll be winning either way.