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I've been daily driving a Linux phone for three years. The suffering was real. It's mostly gone now, I love it and will definitely never go back.

softfalcon 1mo ago
That sounds very interesting to hear about! What diminished the day-to-day difficulty for you? Is it because the ecosystem became more mature, or did you "crack the code" for how to interface with everything you needed from your phone? Is your use-case for a phone wildly different from that of a typical user? It's really cool to hear that someone is successfully daily driving it and making this ecosystem work for them!
- Hackbraten 1mo ago
  > What diminished the day-to-day difficulty for you? Is it because the ecosystem became more mature, or did you "crack the code" for how to interface with everything you needed from your phone? Neither! I just got accustomed to doing without stuff. That’s an effect I wildly underestimated. Many things are still difficult (looking at you, CloudFlare [0] and DataDome [1]!) but I think I’ll manage. > Is your use-case for a phone wildly different from that of a typical user? Not really, I guess. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816826 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48921224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48921224
seba_dos1 1mo ago
I've been daily driving Linux phones for the last 18 years and I would never switch away. Sure, at the beginning it required you to make it your hobby, but you were being rewarded for it. Sometimes when I'm looking at Android/iOS devices being used over someone's shoulder I'm quite horrified at what I see and what people consider normal these days and so glad that my phone works for me rather than anyone else.
- skeptic_ai 1mo ago
  What you can do with that phone that’s useful?
  - seba_dos1 1mo ago
    Everything I do online when I'm not in front of a PC I do on that phone. Web browsing, RSS, instant messaging, e-mail, social media, banking, navigation, public transport routing, TOTP auth, music playing, photo taking, weather checking, "smart" home stuff, conference agendas, occasionally some games or even software development (but not a lot these days - I used to program on my phone a lot when I was a teenager though). I even ran Jamulus on it to jam online during covid because it achieved better audio latency than my laptop, long before it got its Android port. Oh, and phone calling sometimes too, even though I've never been a big fan of that. Anything I need to, really.
    - peroxy 1mo ago
      And how is that any different compared to Android/iOS?
      - timbit42 1mo ago
        No tracking.
      - seba_dos1 1mo ago
        Everything happens on my terms. The phone never tries to grab my attention unless I explicitly make it so. All the things I use are FLOSS. I can patch anything I want down to the kernel and bootloader, often on the phone itself (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49191008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49191008). The OS is managed the exact same way the OS on my PC is and all my skills and knowledge directly transfer over, so I can script it or write applications the exact same way I did on PCs for decades. No "side-loading" shenanigans whatsoever. I can use any browser I want with any extensions I want. I've even used it at a game jam once - plugged a screen, keyboard and mouse in and made a game with the same tools I would have used on a PC (QtCreator, Allegro, GIMP, Inkscape, Audacity, LMMS) and cross-compiled it to Windows and macOS right from the phone using the exact same tools and workflow as usual. I could probably go on and on. It feels like my little personal pocket computer rather than an appliance that someone lets me play with on their terms. BTW. Funny how it can go from "it can't possibly replace Android/iOS" to "how is that different from Android/iOS?" :)
1bpp 1mo ago
Do you take photos or use Bluetooth? What's the experience like for multimedia SMS (assuming no RCS), Whatsapp, banking or other apps normal people expect you to use, or file transfer? Are there any devices that can do NFC?
- Hackbraten 1mo ago
  Taking photos is one of the things I got accustomed to not having. The picture quality on my Librem 5 is just too disappointing [0]. In the past I used Bluetooth for keyboard and mouse when I connected the phone to a monitor. (I no longer do because the USB port on my L5 has broken down so badly that it can no longer maintain a DisplayPort Alt mode connection.) I’ve never used Bluetooth for music or similar, it keeps stuttering horribly on my L5. No idea why it does that! I’ve never used multimedia SMS either. Almost no one uses SMS or MMS in Germany. Signal barely works via the Electron app (and signal-cli), so that’s what I use for messaging. WhatsApp doesn’t work because I have no iOS or Android to tether it to. I can’t use public transport apps, which is a shame because I live in a city center where I depend on public transport. I download my public transport ticket from a private API once a month via curl. For file transfer, I mostly use rsync, Git, or Unison. Banking only works thanks to a dedicated bank card reader. [1] [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321901 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321901 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33418431 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33418431
  - seba_dos1 1mo ago
    > Taking photos is one of the things I got accustomed to not having. The picture quality on my Librem 5 is just too disappointing [0]. The quality of taken photos is fine (as long as you keep the lens clean :)), it's the quality of raw data to JPEG pipeline that's underwhelming. The default pipeline has been significantly improved recently, but it's still very basic, which really shows in low light. There's a huge room for software improvement there. You can always open the DNG file in something like Darktable or RawTherapee and develop it better, with proper denoising etc. I've been shooting lots of photos and videos on my L5: https://social.librem.one/@dos/tagged/shotonlibrem5 https://social.librem.one/@dos/tagged/shotonlibrem5 > I’ve never used Bluetooth for music or similar, it keeps stuttering horribly I've experienced that when using 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi together with Bluetooth, but never when connected to a 5 GHz AP.

softfalcon 1mo ago

That sounds very interesting to hear about! What diminished the day-to-day difficulty for you? Is it because the ecosystem became more mature, or did you "crack the code" for how to interface with everything you needed from your phone? Is your use-case for a phone wildly different from that of a typical user? It's really cool to hear that someone is successfully daily driving it and making this ecosystem work for them!

Hackbraten 1mo ago
> What diminished the day-to-day difficulty for you? Is it because the ecosystem became more mature, or did you "crack the code" for how to interface with everything you needed from your phone? Neither! I just got accustomed to doing without stuff. That’s an effect I wildly underestimated. Many things are still difficult (looking at you, CloudFlare [0] and DataDome [1]!) but I think I’ll manage. > Is your use-case for a phone wildly different from that of a typical user? Not really, I guess. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816826 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48921224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48921224

seba_dos1 1mo ago

I've been daily driving Linux phones for the last 18 years and I would never switch away. Sure, at the beginning it required you to make it your hobby, but you were being rewarded for it. Sometimes when I'm looking at Android/iOS devices being used over someone's shoulder I'm quite horrified at what I see and what people consider normal these days and so glad that my phone works for me rather than anyone else.

skeptic_ai 1mo ago
What you can do with that phone that’s useful?
- seba_dos1 1mo ago
  Everything I do online when I'm not in front of a PC I do on that phone. Web browsing, RSS, instant messaging, e-mail, social media, banking, navigation, public transport routing, TOTP auth, music playing, photo taking, weather checking, "smart" home stuff, conference agendas, occasionally some games or even software development (but not a lot these days - I used to program on my phone a lot when I was a teenager though). I even ran Jamulus on it to jam online during covid because it achieved better audio latency than my laptop, long before it got its Android port. Oh, and phone calling sometimes too, even though I've never been a big fan of that. Anything I need to, really.
  - peroxy 1mo ago
    And how is that any different compared to Android/iOS?
    - timbit42 1mo ago
      No tracking.
    - seba_dos1 1mo ago
      Everything happens on my terms. The phone never tries to grab my attention unless I explicitly make it so. All the things I use are FLOSS. I can patch anything I want down to the kernel and bootloader, often on the phone itself (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49191008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49191008). The OS is managed the exact same way the OS on my PC is and all my skills and knowledge directly transfer over, so I can script it or write applications the exact same way I did on PCs for decades. No "side-loading" shenanigans whatsoever. I can use any browser I want with any extensions I want. I've even used it at a game jam once - plugged a screen, keyboard and mouse in and made a game with the same tools I would have used on a PC (QtCreator, Allegro, GIMP, Inkscape, Audacity, LMMS) and cross-compiled it to Windows and macOS right from the phone using the exact same tools and workflow as usual. I could probably go on and on. It feels like my little personal pocket computer rather than an appliance that someone lets me play with on their terms. BTW. Funny how it can go from "it can't possibly replace Android/iOS" to "how is that different from Android/iOS?" :)

1bpp 1mo ago

Do you take photos or use Bluetooth? What's the experience like for multimedia SMS (assuming no RCS), Whatsapp, banking or other apps normal people expect you to use, or file transfer? Are there any devices that can do NFC?

Hackbraten 1mo ago
Taking photos is one of the things I got accustomed to not having. The picture quality on my Librem 5 is just too disappointing [0]. In the past I used Bluetooth for keyboard and mouse when I connected the phone to a monitor. (I no longer do because the USB port on my L5 has broken down so badly that it can no longer maintain a DisplayPort Alt mode connection.) I’ve never used Bluetooth for music or similar, it keeps stuttering horribly on my L5. No idea why it does that! I’ve never used multimedia SMS either. Almost no one uses SMS or MMS in Germany. Signal barely works via the Electron app (and signal-cli), so that’s what I use for messaging. WhatsApp doesn’t work because I have no iOS or Android to tether it to. I can’t use public transport apps, which is a shame because I live in a city center where I depend on public transport. I download my public transport ticket from a private API once a month via curl. For file transfer, I mostly use rsync, Git, or Unison. Banking only works thanks to a dedicated bank card reader. [1] [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321901 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321901 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33418431 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33418431
- seba_dos1 1mo ago
  > Taking photos is one of the things I got accustomed to not having. The picture quality on my Librem 5 is just too disappointing [0]. The quality of taken photos is fine (as long as you keep the lens clean :)), it's the quality of raw data to JPEG pipeline that's underwhelming. The default pipeline has been significantly improved recently, but it's still very basic, which really shows in low light. There's a huge room for software improvement there. You can always open the DNG file in something like Darktable or RawTherapee and develop it better, with proper denoising etc. I've been shooting lots of photos and videos on my L5: https://social.librem.one/@dos/tagged/shotonlibrem5 https://social.librem.one/@dos/tagged/shotonlibrem5 > I’ve never used Bluetooth for music or similar, it keeps stuttering horribly I've experienced that when using 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi together with Bluetooth, but never when connected to a 5 GHz AP.