5 ms·

I can purchase a self-driving Tesla at a reasonable price, in-line with other cars of the same class. I can't purchase a Waymo at any price.

vel0city 2mo ago
You can't buy a self-driving Tesla today. Even Tesla tells you that in the fine print. Its self-driving (supervised). If it was actually self driving, they wouldn't be saying (supervised).
- xgulfie 2mo ago
  My 2013 Prius does this too, if I let go of the wheel it goes basically straight until it needs me to take over and adjust its trajsctory
xnx 2mo ago
If Teslas could self drive you could sit in the back seat, or sleep, or send the car somewhere without being in it. Elon really wants them to, but Tesla's do not self drive.
- swingandamiss 2mo ago
  If Rivian was completely equal with Tesla at FSD, your tone would be completely different about Rivian. We understand.
  - xnx 2mo ago
    Elon's an ass, but the world needs self driving in as many places, from as many providers, as soon as possible. I wish Elon wasn't so stubborn about admitting he was wrong.
trentor 2mo ago
"self-driving" in better than ideal conditions.
parl_match 2mo ago
You can't purchase a level 3 Tesla at any price, either. To me, true self-driving starts at level 3. Otherwise, it's supervised. And Tesla selling their product as "Full Self Driving (Supervised)" is like selling "Fully Cooked Meal (Frozen)". No! You call it a "frozen meal"!
- FeloniousHam 1mo ago
  Whether it's "true" self-driving, it is unquestionably useful. Everyday, _every_ day, FSD drives me on my commute (down different paths depending on traffic) with the only intervention being a nudge on an unprotected left turn across a wide highway. Recent updates broke parking in my specific parking spot, but I'm confident this regression will be fixed.
  - parl_match 1mo ago
    it's very advanced adas. it is useful but you said "FSD" which stands for FULL Self Driving. You didn't say FSDS, or FSD Beta, or "Tesla's Level 2" self driving. It is NOT a FULL self driving solution yet. They are lying and you are repeating their lies.
    - FeloniousHam 1mo ago
      Since we're into semantics and definitions, "FULL Self Driving" does not appear as a formal, defined standard. It is a brand. What's more, it is not a lie. The vehicle "fully" self drives (for me about 95% of the time).
      - parl_match 1mo ago
        "fully" "about 95% of the time" folks you can't make this stuff up
        FeloniousHam 1mo ago
        Okay: the car "fully" drives itself, everyday on my 35 minute commute through busy traffic on different routes depending on conditions. Obviously, our disagreement is with Tesla branding. I don't care what they call it (I liked Autopilot), it's incredibly useful.
bigtex88 2mo ago
What does this have to do with anything at all?
kube-system 2mo ago
"FSD (Supervised)" is a marketing name... which they updated with the parenthetical almost certainly because of brewing legal issues with false advertising. It does not self-drive. https://www.tesla.com/support/fsd#pay-attention https://www.tesla.com/support/fsd#pay-attention > FSD (Supervised) is an advanced driver assistance system that is intended to be used only with a fully attentive driver. It does not turn a Tesla into a fully autonomous vehicle.

vel0city 2mo ago

You can't buy a self-driving Tesla today. Even Tesla tells you that in the fine print. Its self-driving (supervised). If it was actually self driving, they wouldn't be saying (supervised).

xgulfie 2mo ago
My 2013 Prius does this too, if I let go of the wheel it goes basically straight until it needs me to take over and adjust its trajsctory

xnx 2mo ago

If Teslas could self drive you could sit in the back seat, or sleep, or send the car somewhere without being in it. Elon really wants them to, but Tesla's do not self drive.

swingandamiss 2mo ago
If Rivian was completely equal with Tesla at FSD, your tone would be completely different about Rivian. We understand.
- xnx 2mo ago
  Elon's an ass, but the world needs self driving in as many places, from as many providers, as soon as possible. I wish Elon wasn't so stubborn about admitting he was wrong.

trentor 2mo ago

"self-driving" in better than ideal conditions.

parl_match 2mo ago

You can't purchase a level 3 Tesla at any price, either. To me, true self-driving starts at level 3. Otherwise, it's supervised. And Tesla selling their product as "Full Self Driving (Supervised)" is like selling "Fully Cooked Meal (Frozen)". No! You call it a "frozen meal"!

FeloniousHam 1mo ago
Whether it's "true" self-driving, it is unquestionably useful. Everyday, _every_ day, FSD drives me on my commute (down different paths depending on traffic) with the only intervention being a nudge on an unprotected left turn across a wide highway. Recent updates broke parking in my specific parking spot, but I'm confident this regression will be fixed.
- parl_match 1mo ago
  it's very advanced adas. it is useful but you said "FSD" which stands for FULL Self Driving. You didn't say FSDS, or FSD Beta, or "Tesla's Level 2" self driving. It is NOT a FULL self driving solution yet. They are lying and you are repeating their lies.
  - FeloniousHam 1mo ago
    Since we're into semantics and definitions, "FULL Self Driving" does not appear as a formal, defined standard. It is a brand. What's more, it is not a lie. The vehicle "fully" self drives (for me about 95% of the time).
    - parl_match 1mo ago
      "fully" "about 95% of the time" folks you can't make this stuff up
      - FeloniousHam 1mo ago
        Okay: the car "fully" drives itself, everyday on my 35 minute commute through busy traffic on different routes depending on conditions. Obviously, our disagreement is with Tesla branding. I don't care what they call it (I liked Autopilot), it's incredibly useful.

bigtex88 2mo ago

What does this have to do with anything at all?

kube-system 2mo ago

"FSD (Supervised)" is a marketing name... which they updated with the parenthetical almost certainly because of brewing legal issues with false advertising. It does not self-drive. https://www.tesla.com/support/fsd#pay-attention https://www.tesla.com/support/fsd#pay-attention > FSD (Supervised) is an advanced driver assistance system that is intended to be used only with a fully attentive driver. It does not turn a Tesla into a fully autonomous vehicle.