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How much do you all think it would cost to "buy" these advances from PhDs, practicing scientists?

by 0x5FC3 2mo ago

traes 2mo ago
This isn't really a productive way to think about these things, IMO. It's quite possible it would take hundreds of years for any specific group of PhDs to solve them. Or one individual PhD could have the correct flash of insight and solve it in a month. There's absolutely no way to predict this, besides trying to gauge the apparent simplicity of the proof or counterexample (which is likely to be misleading). Until someone actually runs an experiment like this it's not a viable metric.
- 0x5FC3 2mo ago
  I understand and I am not trying to deny the impressiveness or the velocity of AI in general. But at some point we have to ask how much do we trust the labs at face value without much transparency of how they got to the results when there is trillions of dollars on the line.
  - simianwords 2mo ago
    The level of conspiracy theory is nuts
    - 0x5FC3 2mo ago
      I would say the lack of skepticism is nuts, honestly.
      - frozenseven 2mo ago
        Capabilities of this sort have already been demonstrated by independent parties, and models have consistently gotten better at this. Yes, insinuating that mathematicians and scientists are secretly solving decades-old problems on OpenAI's behalf is an insane conspiracy theory.
        shimman 2mo ago
        That's not what is being purported, you're doing a complete misdirect. OpenAI wants to IPO so Altman can potentially capture a trillion dollar bag, with so much money on the line + betting US foreign policy on it as well (pax silica) it's not hard to be overly suspicious of such claims. Especially in the context of a group of people wanting to generate a new decades long cold war in the form of China being the new big baddie (just ignore how destructive, both self- and towards the world, the US has become). These companies desperately want a return to serfdom. If they didn't come off as so anti-human the public backlash wouldn't be so great.
        cheevly 2mo ago
        Altman has no shares in OpenAI.
  - jryle70 2mo ago
    Do you think OpenAI investors are more cavaliers than yourself who doesn't have any stake in it?
- jacki 2mo ago
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jgeralnik 2mo ago
A friend’s PhD advisor has been chasing non-sofic groups for 25 years (and was shown a preprint of the results by openai to verify them). He believed a solution would be Fields-worthy This was not a problem that was for sale
heaney-555 2mo ago
You couldn't. PhDs have been working on these problems for decades. It wasn't for lack of trying that none of them could figure these solutions out!
sergiomiguens 1mo ago
https://mathstodon.xyz/@sergiosh/116847266951670037 https://mathstodon.xyz/@sergiosh/116847266951670037 https://mathstodon.xyz/@sergiosh/116976232522229829 https://mathstodon.xyz/@sergiosh/116976232522229829 Look at this two threads.

How much do you all think it would cost to "buy" these advances from PhDs, practicing scientists?

by 0x5FC3 2mo ago

How much do you all think it would cost to "buy" these advances from PhDs, practicing scientists?

traes 2mo ago

This isn't really a productive way to think about these things, IMO. It's quite possible it would take hundreds of years for any specific group of PhDs to solve them. Or one individual PhD could have the correct flash of insight and solve it in a month. There's absolutely no way to predict this, besides trying to gauge the apparent simplicity of the proof or counterexample (which is likely to be misleading). Until someone actually runs an experiment like this it's not a viable metric.

0x5FC3 2mo ago
I understand and I am not trying to deny the impressiveness or the velocity of AI in general. But at some point we have to ask how much do we trust the labs at face value without much transparency of how they got to the results when there is trillions of dollars on the line.
- simianwords 2mo ago
  The level of conspiracy theory is nuts
  - 0x5FC3 2mo ago
    I would say the lack of skepticism is nuts, honestly.
    - frozenseven 2mo ago
      Capabilities of this sort have already been demonstrated by independent parties, and models have consistently gotten better at this. Yes, insinuating that mathematicians and scientists are secretly solving decades-old problems on OpenAI's behalf is an insane conspiracy theory.
      - shimman 2mo ago
        That's not what is being purported, you're doing a complete misdirect. OpenAI wants to IPO so Altman can potentially capture a trillion dollar bag, with so much money on the line + betting US foreign policy on it as well (pax silica) it's not hard to be overly suspicious of such claims. Especially in the context of a group of people wanting to generate a new decades long cold war in the form of China being the new big baddie (just ignore how destructive, both self- and towards the world, the US has become). These companies desperately want a return to serfdom. If they didn't come off as so anti-human the public backlash wouldn't be so great.
        cheevly 2mo ago
        Altman has no shares in OpenAI.
- jryle70 2mo ago
  Do you think OpenAI investors are more cavaliers than yourself who doesn't have any stake in it?
jacki 2mo ago
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jgeralnik 2mo ago

A friend’s PhD advisor has been chasing non-sofic groups for 25 years (and was shown a preprint of the results by openai to verify them). He believed a solution would be Fields-worthy This was not a problem that was for sale

heaney-555 2mo ago

You couldn't. PhDs have been working on these problems for decades. It wasn't for lack of trying that none of them could figure these solutions out!

sergiomiguens 1mo ago

https://mathstodon.xyz/@sergiosh/116847266951670037 https://mathstodon.xyz/@sergiosh/116847266951670037 https://mathstodon.xyz/@sergiosh/116976232522229829 https://mathstodon.xyz/@sergiosh/116976232522229829 Look at this two threads.