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These feel quite different. IRGC attacked Amazon compute. Ukraine attacked several warehouses. Comparing Wildberries to Amazon is also only half the truth. Wild

by mkesper 2mo ago

These feel quite different. IRGC attacked Amazon compute. Ukraine attacked several warehouses. Comparing Wildberries to Amazon is also only half the truth. Wildberries is directly part of russian war machine as soldiers need to buy essential dual-use equipment there and they even sell weapons.

tgsovlerkhgsel 2mo ago
I suspect in both cases the primary motivation is "there's a huge box full of expensive stuff and if we get a drone inside the whole box burns to the ground".
nyanmatt 2mo ago
AWS hosts all DoD cloud infrastructure. Isn't that analogous?
radiator 2mo ago
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- drabbiticus 2mo ago
  I admit I've had the privilege of not following the war between Russia/Ukraine very closely, but your question seems to assume that Russia has been clearly delineating between civilian and military targets. "UN Meetings Coverage and Press Releases : Russian Attacks in Ukraine Show ‘Clear’ Pattern of Targeting Civilians, UN Officials Stress, as Security Council Speakers Call for Urgent De-escalation" [1] from Jul 9, 2026 suggests that is not the case and claims "16,402 civilians, including 802 children, have been killed in Ukraine" [1] https://press.un.org/en/2026/sc16408.doc.htm https://press.un.org/en/2026/sc16408.doc.htm
- lesuorac 2mo ago
  Presumably they don't know where they are. It's not like something being civilian infrastructure is a problem -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_against_Ukrainian_infrastructure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_against_Ukrain... What's somebody going to do? Complain to the UN?
  - radiator 2mo ago
    So I have to make it plainer. Those factories are not all in Ukraine. The governments of the countries who host the factories have switched their rhetoric from 2023. Back then it was "oh, we cannot arm Ukraine with weapons with range longer than 100 km, because then according to international law we are complicit in attacking Russia and Russia has a legal right to strike us back". But in 2026 attacks on non-military targets are celebrated by the same governments who are now proud to have contributed to the hits.
    - lesuorac 2mo ago
      You probably do have to make it plainer. Afaik, Europe is not in solidarity on no long range weapons and it's mostly driven by the US who is trying to get out of helping Ukraine. So which countries are given the drones and which countries said no long range attacks?
- paulryanrogers 2mo ago
  > What are Russia's reasons not to fire ballistic missiles at those factories, wherever they may be? Russia is already targeting apartment blocks. I doubt they hesitate to attack known factories.
  - t-3 2mo ago
    Those factories are outside of Ukraine, in Europe. A lot of people (both pro- and anti- Russia) seem to be hoping that Russia will attack Europe to stop Ukrainian drone attacks.
    - watwut 2mo ago
      Who exactly? You seem to be moving in weird places.
      - t-3 2mo ago
        European politicians are all about the war, champing at the bit to escalate, expanding militaries and reordering their economies around the MIC. As for insane MAGA and Euro-right, just go read any of them, they are all like that.
- Der_Einzige 2mo ago
  I didn't know I'd find Vatnik's on HN.
- Peacefulz 2mo ago
  An aggressor state doesn't get to cry foul play. I don't care what Ukraine has to resort to so they can defend their sovereignty. If Russia doesn't like how the game is being played, they can take their ball and go home.
- nutjob2 2mo ago
  > What are Russia's reasons not to fire ballistic missiles at those factories, wherever they may be? Russians fire at everything in Ukraine, military and civilian. They'd obviously fire on those factories except they can't find them. Who cares what the justifications Ukraine uses, they are fighting for their existence against Russian invaders and are not openly targeting civilians.
  - t-3 2mo ago
    > Ukraine [...] are not openly targeting civilians. Ukraine has been pretty openly targeting civilians since 2014 and didn't stop in 2022. It's just (very reasonably) judged differently when one country commits war crimes while aggressively attacking another and when a country crosses that line while defending themselves against a much larger foe.

by mkesper 2mo ago

tgsovlerkhgsel 2mo ago

I suspect in both cases the primary motivation is "there's a huge box full of expensive stuff and if we get a drone inside the whole box burns to the ground".

nyanmatt 2mo ago

AWS hosts all DoD cloud infrastructure. Isn't that analogous?

radiator 2mo ago

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drabbiticus 2mo ago
I admit I've had the privilege of not following the war between Russia/Ukraine very closely, but your question seems to assume that Russia has been clearly delineating between civilian and military targets. "UN Meetings Coverage and Press Releases : Russian Attacks in Ukraine Show ‘Clear’ Pattern of Targeting Civilians, UN Officials Stress, as Security Council Speakers Call for Urgent De-escalation" [1] from Jul 9, 2026 suggests that is not the case and claims "16,402 civilians, including 802 children, have been killed in Ukraine" [1] https://press.un.org/en/2026/sc16408.doc.htm https://press.un.org/en/2026/sc16408.doc.htm
lesuorac 2mo ago
Presumably they don't know where they are. It's not like something being civilian infrastructure is a problem -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_against_Ukrainian_infrastructure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_against_Ukrain... What's somebody going to do? Complain to the UN?
- radiator 2mo ago
  So I have to make it plainer. Those factories are not all in Ukraine. The governments of the countries who host the factories have switched their rhetoric from 2023. Back then it was "oh, we cannot arm Ukraine with weapons with range longer than 100 km, because then according to international law we are complicit in attacking Russia and Russia has a legal right to strike us back". But in 2026 attacks on non-military targets are celebrated by the same governments who are now proud to have contributed to the hits.
  - lesuorac 2mo ago
    You probably do have to make it plainer. Afaik, Europe is not in solidarity on no long range weapons and it's mostly driven by the US who is trying to get out of helping Ukraine. So which countries are given the drones and which countries said no long range attacks?
paulryanrogers 2mo ago
> What are Russia's reasons not to fire ballistic missiles at those factories, wherever they may be? Russia is already targeting apartment blocks. I doubt they hesitate to attack known factories.
- t-3 2mo ago
  Those factories are outside of Ukraine, in Europe. A lot of people (both pro- and anti- Russia) seem to be hoping that Russia will attack Europe to stop Ukrainian drone attacks.
  - watwut 2mo ago
    Who exactly? You seem to be moving in weird places.
    - t-3 2mo ago
      European politicians are all about the war, champing at the bit to escalate, expanding militaries and reordering their economies around the MIC. As for insane MAGA and Euro-right, just go read any of them, they are all like that.
Der_Einzige 2mo ago
I didn't know I'd find Vatnik's on HN.
Peacefulz 2mo ago
An aggressor state doesn't get to cry foul play. I don't care what Ukraine has to resort to so they can defend their sovereignty. If Russia doesn't like how the game is being played, they can take their ball and go home.
nutjob2 2mo ago
> What are Russia's reasons not to fire ballistic missiles at those factories, wherever they may be? Russians fire at everything in Ukraine, military and civilian. They'd obviously fire on those factories except they can't find them. Who cares what the justifications Ukraine uses, they are fighting for their existence against Russian invaders and are not openly targeting civilians.
- t-3 2mo ago
  > Ukraine [...] are not openly targeting civilians. Ukraine has been pretty openly targeting civilians since 2014 and didn't stop in 2022. It's just (very reasonably) judged differently when one country commits war crimes while aggressively attacking another and when a country crosses that line while defending themselves against a much larger foe.