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People will go to great lengths to avoid paying for what is, arguably, an outstanding product from a great company, then think nothing of spending the same amou

People will go to great lengths to avoid paying for what is, arguably, an outstanding product from a great company, then think nothing of spending the same amount at Starbucks. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a company scrutinized and nitpicked as much as JetBrains.

phplovesong 2mo ago
Well its a russian company, and took part in the solarwinds hack, that was directly funded by the fsb. So, yeah, it should ve scrutinized, nitpicked and avoided at all costs. Its 2026, there is no need for a proprieraty IDE that is stuck in the early 2000s.
- marand23 2mo ago
  They closed all their russian office locations at the start of the Ukraine war afaik so I wouldn't call it russian any more.
  - phplovesong 2mo ago
    Once russian, always russian. You cant remove the ruski once its rooted.
- denisw 2mo ago
  JetBrains is and has always been a Czech (and, thus, EU) company, not a Russian one. Yes, the founders are Russian, but that does not make the company so. They did have Russian offices, but closed them after the start of the Ukraine war [1]. The only confirmed link to the SolarWinds attack seems to be that SolarWinds was using TeamCity (JetBrains' CI/CD product) and that this was alledgedly used as a "gateway" to SolarWinds' systems - which doesn't require any cooperation from JetBrains, just an unpatched security issue. In fact, a patch by JetBrains for the exploited issue seems to have been available, but was not installed [2]. So while any company deserves scrutiny, these particular allegations against JetBrains smell like FUD to me. See also JetBrains' own statements on the SolarWinds thing: https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/01/06/statement-on-the-story-from-the-new-york-times-regarding-jetbrains-and-solarwinds/ https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/01/06/statement-on-the-... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetBrains https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetBrains [2]: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa23-347a https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa...
  - selivanovp 2mo ago
    The company was registered in Prague for political and financial reasons, but it has always been Russian to the core. Yes, they had multiple offices outside of Russia, but they were still mostly populated by relocated Russians. That's why their product quality significantly dropped since 2022, as they've cut themselves from their main source of engineers. You're right about SolarWinds though.
- cdmckay 2mo ago
  Source: trust me bro
- pjmlp 2mo ago
  So we get to replace it for a programmer's editor from the early 1980's instead, good call.
- krzyk 2mo ago
  > Its 2026, there is no need for a proprieraty IDE that is stuck in the early 2000s. This is the best IDE for Java. And it is nowhere near 2000s, it is modern and the best one can use for Java.
  - pjmlp 2mo ago
    Still has room for improvements, like finally getting their own incremental compiler instead of reusing the one from Eclipse, and better defaults for type inference tooltips and inspections. Only last year finally got to support JNI development with mixed language debugging, which Eclipse and Netbeans have supported for the last 20 years.

phplovesong 2mo ago

Well its a russian company, and took part in the solarwinds hack, that was directly funded by the fsb. So, yeah, it should ve scrutinized, nitpicked and avoided at all costs. Its 2026, there is no need for a proprieraty IDE that is stuck in the early 2000s.

marand23 2mo ago
They closed all their russian office locations at the start of the Ukraine war afaik so I wouldn't call it russian any more.
- phplovesong 2mo ago
  Once russian, always russian. You cant remove the ruski once its rooted.
denisw 2mo ago
JetBrains is and has always been a Czech (and, thus, EU) company, not a Russian one. Yes, the founders are Russian, but that does not make the company so. They did have Russian offices, but closed them after the start of the Ukraine war [1]. The only confirmed link to the SolarWinds attack seems to be that SolarWinds was using TeamCity (JetBrains' CI/CD product) and that this was alledgedly used as a "gateway" to SolarWinds' systems - which doesn't require any cooperation from JetBrains, just an unpatched security issue. In fact, a patch by JetBrains for the exploited issue seems to have been available, but was not installed [2]. So while any company deserves scrutiny, these particular allegations against JetBrains smell like FUD to me. See also JetBrains' own statements on the SolarWinds thing: https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/01/06/statement-on-the-story-from-the-new-york-times-regarding-jetbrains-and-solarwinds/ https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/01/06/statement-on-the-... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetBrains https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetBrains [2]: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa23-347a https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa...
- selivanovp 2mo ago
  The company was registered in Prague for political and financial reasons, but it has always been Russian to the core. Yes, they had multiple offices outside of Russia, but they were still mostly populated by relocated Russians. That's why their product quality significantly dropped since 2022, as they've cut themselves from their main source of engineers. You're right about SolarWinds though.
cdmckay 2mo ago
Source: trust me bro
pjmlp 2mo ago
So we get to replace it for a programmer's editor from the early 1980's instead, good call.
krzyk 2mo ago
> Its 2026, there is no need for a proprieraty IDE that is stuck in the early 2000s. This is the best IDE for Java. And it is nowhere near 2000s, it is modern and the best one can use for Java.
- pjmlp 2mo ago
  Still has room for improvements, like finally getting their own incremental compiler instead of reusing the one from Eclipse, and better defaults for type inference tooltips and inspections. Only last year finally got to support JNI development with mixed language debugging, which Eclipse and Netbeans have supported for the last 20 years.