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> Sweden has, more than any other country, faced an astounding and shocking rise of intense violence and organized crime, with shootings in the middle of cities

> Sweden has, more than any other country, faced an astounding and shocking rise of intense violence and organized crime, with shootings in the middle of cities and cafés, all linked to people that were openly accepted through its refugee programs. You claimed two things that I took issue with: The rise of intense violence and organized crime is higher than in any other country. All those crimes are linked to people openly accepted through its refugee programmes. A student thesis about "The Ripple Effect of Gang Violence" does not back up these claims. I am well aware that Sweden has had an increase in intense violence and organized crime in recent years, but that is not what you claimed. You were more specific.

jb1991 2mo ago
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- crtasm 2mo ago
  Not in the news I've been reading - perhaps your news sources deserve a more critical evaluation?
  - jb1991 2mo ago
    Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054
- cinntaile 2mo ago
  You didn't link it because it was an interesting thesis, you linked it to back up your claims when I asked for a source. Which it didn't do. You still need to provide a source for your claims. You can also retract your claims of course, that's fine too.
  - jb1991 2mo ago
    Sorry but this is a ridiculous request for something that has been so widely reported on over the last two years. You can search for all those news articles if you are interested. For something like this, there is no burden for me to prove anything to you.
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  - jb1991 2mo ago
    Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054
    - cinntaile 2mo ago
      Sure, pick one of their sources to support your claims. If they already did the job for you it should be very easy. To reiterate your claims: > Sweden has, more than any other country, faced an astounding and shocking rise of intense violence and organized crime, with shootings in the middle of cities and cafés, all linked to people that were openly accepted through its refugee programs. 1. Which link proves that Sweden has had a more shocking rise of intense violence and organized crime than all other countries in the world? 2. Which link proves that they are all linked to people that were openly accepted through its refugee programs? Regarding 1. it would also be interesting to know which time period you are referring to, because that's pretty much a prerequisite for a claim like that.
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- Hikikomori 2mo ago
  >all linked to people that were openly accepted through its refugee programs Large increase in gang violence yes. But this is a pretty strong and specific claim, I live in Sweden and have not seen this in the news. Some of the gangs part of the gangswars are MC related clubs like Bandidos which seem to be mostly ethnically Swedes, and they've been an issue for decades. Arguably part of the problem is our emulation of US war on drugs, it failed there and its obviously failing here and allows gangs to have large income. Together with bad integration and prospects for children of immigrants/refugees allows gangs to influence and exploit them to do crime and attacks for them.
  - jb1991 2mo ago
    > I live in Sweden and have not seen this in the news I'm genuinely surprised by this. I live in a nearby country and it is in the news every few months.
    - Hikikomori 2mo ago
      Still waiting for your links about _all_ gang crime being linked to refugees.

jb1991 2mo ago

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crtasm 2mo ago
Not in the news I've been reading - perhaps your news sources deserve a more critical evaluation?
- jb1991 2mo ago
  Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054
cinntaile 2mo ago
You didn't link it because it was an interesting thesis, you linked it to back up your claims when I asked for a source. Which it didn't do. You still need to provide a source for your claims. You can also retract your claims of course, that's fine too.
- jb1991 2mo ago
  Sorry but this is a ridiculous request for something that has been so widely reported on over the last two years. You can search for all those news articles if you are interested. For something like this, there is no burden for me to prove anything to you.
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- jb1991 2mo ago
  Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054
  - cinntaile 2mo ago
    Sure, pick one of their sources to support your claims. If they already did the job for you it should be very easy. To reiterate your claims: > Sweden has, more than any other country, faced an astounding and shocking rise of intense violence and organized crime, with shootings in the middle of cities and cafés, all linked to people that were openly accepted through its refugee programs. 1. Which link proves that Sweden has had a more shocking rise of intense violence and organized crime than all other countries in the world? 2. Which link proves that they are all linked to people that were openly accepted through its refugee programs? Regarding 1. it would also be interesting to know which time period you are referring to, because that's pretty much a prerequisite for a claim like that.
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Hikikomori 2mo ago
>all linked to people that were openly accepted through its refugee programs Large increase in gang violence yes. But this is a pretty strong and specific claim, I live in Sweden and have not seen this in the news. Some of the gangs part of the gangswars are MC related clubs like Bandidos which seem to be mostly ethnically Swedes, and they've been an issue for decades. Arguably part of the problem is our emulation of US war on drugs, it failed there and its obviously failing here and allows gangs to have large income. Together with bad integration and prospects for children of immigrants/refugees allows gangs to influence and exploit them to do crime and attacks for them.
- jb1991 2mo ago
  > I live in Sweden and have not seen this in the news I'm genuinely surprised by this. I live in a nearby country and it is in the news every few months.
  - Hikikomori 2mo ago
    Still waiting for your links about _all_ gang crime being linked to refugees.