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More than any other country... I'm not too sure about that, there are a lot of countries on this planet. What period are you looking at? I assume relative numbe

More than any other country... I'm not too sure about that, there are a lot of countries on this planet. What period are you looking at? I assume relative numbers. I'm also skeptical about your other claim that it's all linked to people that came to Sweden through refugee programs. Do you have any sources to back up your claims?

jb1991 2mo ago
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- cinntaile 2mo ago
  It should be very simple to link to sources that back up your claims then.
  - jb1991 2mo ago
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    - g-b-r 2mo ago
      Maybe it was quite significant in your news bubble?
      - jb1991 2mo ago
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        g-b-r 2mo ago
        If you say so (I am in Europe and never heard that).
        jb1991 2mo ago
        Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054
- fragmede 2mo ago
  Mind linking some of them? I'm in my own information bubble and haven't heard of it. What's common knowledge and obvious to you, isn't for the rest of us.
  - jb1991 2mo ago
    https://www.gu.se/sites/default/files/2025-10/The%20ripple%20effect%20of%20gang%20violence%20-%20Has%20the%20rise%20in%20shootings%20fueled%20anti-immigrant%20sentiment%20in%20Sweden.pdf https://www.gu.se/sites/default/files/2025-10/The%20ripple%2...
  - jb1991 2mo ago
    Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054
jb1991 2mo ago
I did a quick search, among all of the articles are people even doing their thesis work on this problem: https://www.gu.se/sites/default/files/2025-10/The%20ripple%20effect%20of%20gang%20violence%20-%20Has%20the%20rise%20in%20shootings%20fueled%20anti-immigrant%20sentiment%20in%20Sweden.pdf https://www.gu.se/sites/default/files/2025-10/The%20ripple%2...
- cinntaile 2mo ago
  > Sweden has, more than any other country, faced an astounding and shocking rise of intense violence and organized crime, with shootings in the middle of cities and cafés, all linked to people that were openly accepted through its refugee programs. You claimed two things that I took issue with: The rise of intense violence and organized crime is higher than in any other country. All those crimes are linked to people openly accepted through its refugee programmes. A student thesis about "The Ripple Effect of Gang Violence" does not back up these claims. I am well aware that Sweden has had an increase in intense violence and organized crime in recent years, but that is not what you claimed. You were more specific.
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    - crtasm 2mo ago
      Not in the news I've been reading - perhaps your news sources deserve a more critical evaluation?
      - jb1991 2mo ago
        Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054
Gud 2mo ago
These are basic facts to anyone who has had any experience with Swedish society for hte last years. If YOU are claiming that the meteoric rise in violence in Sweden is not related to the insane levels of refugees from the middle east that came during the same period, the burden of proof is on YOU. NO country has gone through the same level of demographic change, unwanted by the Swedes, mind you. The Swedish population was never in favor of this politics and explains the meteoric rise of Sverigedemokraterna, a party founded by literal Nazis(Gustaf Ekström, a Waffen-SS volunteer). Why this happened, can be discussed in eternity. Probably to understand you should read The New Totalitarians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Totalitarians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Totalitarians You can start by checking mug photos. I have migrated from Sweden and frequently return for work and for family visits. It's still a great country, if you avoid "certain areas". Weird, that these "certain areas" are predominately populated with strangers from a different part of the world who enjoy welfare benefits but either don't want, or can't integrate.
- zenexer 2mo ago
  If they are basic facts, then it should be easy to provide evidence, no? Every time anyone asks for evidence, they’re shot down. That’s unhelpful for public discourse.
  - dijit 2mo ago
    People don't seem to like responding to facts. I laid out a lot of primary source citations here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 For myself, my favourite restaurant was bombed and a month later four people were shot outside my door (literally on my doorstep, three died): https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/sa-borjade-den-blodiga-konflikten-mellan-malmo-gangen https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/sa-borjade-den-blodi... Here's some more sources: BBC, November 2023, "Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image". Over 60 gun deaths in 2022 (the record), 140+ explosions in 2023, violence spreading out of the low-income vulnerable areas into quiet suburbs, gang leaders directing from Turkey and Serbia. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67342368 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67342368 AP (via Euronews), September 2023 — three killed overnight in shootings and a bombing during the Foxtrot gang feud; the rival factions led by a Swedish-Turkish dual national operating from Turkey. https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/28/3-killed-in-shootings-and-explosion-as-gangs-battle-in-sweden https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/28/3-killed-in-shootings-an... Al Jazeera, September 2023 — Kristersson calling in the military; police estimate of roughly 30,000 people involved with or tied to gang crime; violence spreading from major urban areas to smaller towns. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/29/swedish-pm-seeks-help-from-military-as-gang-violence-rocks-country https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/29/swedish-pm-seeks-he... NBC News, September 2023 — same events, plus the framing that the coalition won the 2022 election partly on the promise to stem gang violence. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sweden-leader-summons-army-gang-violence-rocks-nation-rcna118015 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sweden-leader-summons-arm... Reuters, January 2020 — the bombing statistics: 257 bomb attacks reported in 2019, up 60% year on year, concentrated around the ~60 deprived areas police had identified. https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-suffers-surge-bomb-attacks-131433703.html https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-suffers-surge-bomb-attacks-131... Euronews, September 2023 — Kristersson: "No other country in Europe is seeing anything like this." https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/29/sweden-pm-asks-military-to-help-tackle-violent-gangs https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/29/sweden-pm-asks-military-...

jb1991 2mo ago

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cinntaile 2mo ago
It should be very simple to link to sources that back up your claims then.
- jb1991 2mo ago
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  - g-b-r 2mo ago
    Maybe it was quite significant in your news bubble?
    - jb1991 2mo ago
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      - g-b-r 2mo ago
        If you say so (I am in Europe and never heard that).
        jb1991 2mo ago
        Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054
fragmede 2mo ago
Mind linking some of them? I'm in my own information bubble and haven't heard of it. What's common knowledge and obvious to you, isn't for the rest of us.
- jb1991 2mo ago
  https://www.gu.se/sites/default/files/2025-10/The%20ripple%20effect%20of%20gang%20violence%20-%20Has%20the%20rise%20in%20shootings%20fueled%20anti-immigrant%20sentiment%20in%20Sweden.pdf https://www.gu.se/sites/default/files/2025-10/The%20ripple%2...
- jb1991 2mo ago
  Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054

jb1991 2mo ago

I did a quick search, among all of the articles are people even doing their thesis work on this problem: https://www.gu.se/sites/default/files/2025-10/The%20ripple%20effect%20of%20gang%20violence%20-%20Has%20the%20rise%20in%20shootings%20fueled%20anti-immigrant%20sentiment%20in%20Sweden.pdf https://www.gu.se/sites/default/files/2025-10/The%20ripple%2...

cinntaile 2mo ago
> Sweden has, more than any other country, faced an astounding and shocking rise of intense violence and organized crime, with shootings in the middle of cities and cafés, all linked to people that were openly accepted through its refugee programs. You claimed two things that I took issue with: The rise of intense violence and organized crime is higher than in any other country. All those crimes are linked to people openly accepted through its refugee programmes. A student thesis about "The Ripple Effect of Gang Violence" does not back up these claims. I am well aware that Sweden has had an increase in intense violence and organized crime in recent years, but that is not what you claimed. You were more specific.
- jb1991 2mo ago
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  - crtasm 2mo ago
    Not in the news I've been reading - perhaps your news sources deserve a more critical evaluation?
    - jb1991 2mo ago
      Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054

Gud 2mo ago

These are basic facts to anyone who has had any experience with Swedish society for hte last years. If YOU are claiming that the meteoric rise in violence in Sweden is not related to the insane levels of refugees from the middle east that came during the same period, the burden of proof is on YOU. NO country has gone through the same level of demographic change, unwanted by the Swedes, mind you. The Swedish population was never in favor of this politics and explains the meteoric rise of Sverigedemokraterna, a party founded by literal Nazis(Gustaf Ekström, a Waffen-SS volunteer). Why this happened, can be discussed in eternity. Probably to understand you should read The New Totalitarians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Totalitarians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Totalitarians You can start by checking mug photos. I have migrated from Sweden and frequently return for work and for family visits. It's still a great country, if you avoid "certain areas". Weird, that these "certain areas" are predominately populated with strangers from a different part of the world who enjoy welfare benefits but either don't want, or can't integrate.

zenexer 2mo ago
If they are basic facts, then it should be easy to provide evidence, no? Every time anyone asks for evidence, they’re shot down. That’s unhelpful for public discourse.
- dijit 2mo ago
  People don't seem to like responding to facts. I laid out a lot of primary source citations here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 For myself, my favourite restaurant was bombed and a month later four people were shot outside my door (literally on my doorstep, three died): https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/sa-borjade-den-blodiga-konflikten-mellan-malmo-gangen https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/sa-borjade-den-blodi... Here's some more sources: BBC, November 2023, "Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image". Over 60 gun deaths in 2022 (the record), 140+ explosions in 2023, violence spreading out of the low-income vulnerable areas into quiet suburbs, gang leaders directing from Turkey and Serbia. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67342368 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67342368 AP (via Euronews), September 2023 — three killed overnight in shootings and a bombing during the Foxtrot gang feud; the rival factions led by a Swedish-Turkish dual national operating from Turkey. https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/28/3-killed-in-shootings-and-explosion-as-gangs-battle-in-sweden https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/28/3-killed-in-shootings-an... Al Jazeera, September 2023 — Kristersson calling in the military; police estimate of roughly 30,000 people involved with or tied to gang crime; violence spreading from major urban areas to smaller towns. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/29/swedish-pm-seeks-help-from-military-as-gang-violence-rocks-country https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/29/swedish-pm-seeks-he... NBC News, September 2023 — same events, plus the framing that the coalition won the 2022 election partly on the promise to stem gang violence. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sweden-leader-summons-army-gang-violence-rocks-nation-rcna118015 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sweden-leader-summons-arm... Reuters, January 2020 — the bombing statistics: 257 bomb attacks reported in 2019, up 60% year on year, concentrated around the ~60 deprived areas police had identified. https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-suffers-surge-bomb-attacks-131433703.html https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-suffers-surge-bomb-attacks-131... Euronews, September 2023 — Kristersson: "No other country in Europe is seeing anything like this." https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/29/sweden-pm-asks-military-to-help-tackle-violent-gangs https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/29/sweden-pm-asks-military-...