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Maybe because the 1st thing any experienced technical person would think about? It's like rebuilding and optimizing the racing track to make F1 run faster.

by vdfs 2mo ago

harrisi 2mo ago
Perhaps. The thing I was trying to highlight more is comments (particularly disapproving ones) about the intersection of JavaScript (especially React, apparently), TUIs, and LLMs. I just thought it was interesting. I'm a fan of TUIs, both positive and negative about JavaScript (the modern language is quite nice, given you avoid the historical warts, in my opinion - the ecosystem is unfortunate), and I think the best description for how I feel about LLMs is that I'm bearish. Also Simon is a fantastically prolific and intelligent person though, even though LLMs are not my cup of tea. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48960912 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48960912 is a recent comment by someone I also respect related to how LLMs recreate human-like content (Widgets, really), making actual human-created content feel fake. Sometimes it sure does feel like ELIZA is the main news source these days.
scrollaway 2mo ago
I have ~24 years of experience coding and the LAST thing I think about when opening claude code is "why is this written in react". Tell you what I sometimes think about though: The fact it has clickable links and complex formatting rules for markdown, the most interactive and highest-quality clickable interface I've ever seen in a terminal, and somehow manages to work. That actually blows my mind. THEN, I'm reminded that it's written in React, and I think "Huh, guess that does make it a ton easier than using ncurses or something." And done.
- slopinthebag 2mo ago
  You’ve been writing code for 24 years and you don’t know that clickable links are a terminal emulator feature and not a Claude Code feature? Or that “markdown formatting” is just ansi escape codes, and possible with things other than React that don’t bring so many downsides?
  - scrollaway 2mo ago
    Claude Code is able to hyperlink any kind of text, not just the native terminal emulator feature of hyperlinking anything starting with https://... And your "it's just ANSI escape codes" is the weirdest take on any kind of software.
    - slopinthebag 2mo ago
      Formatted hyperlinks are an escape code too. It has nothing to do with React. Not sure why you’re trying to bring up experience as a justification for using React to render a tui and all the downsides that come with that.
      - scrollaway 2mo ago
        It sounds like you completely missed the point I was making: that actually implementing such a highly dynamic TUI application normally requires a significant amount of state tracking and it is significantly easier to write such apps using a functional, descriptive UI framework instead of something like ncurses. Take it from someone who, in those 24 years, has written UIs in jquery, react and ncurses (and yeah I've tried out Ink and it's great). "all the downsides that come with that" yeah well, while you're stuck implementing your app in the Best Possible Library, millions of people are happy using claude code and it's crazy useful.
        slopinthebag 2mo ago
        CC is not even that complex of a TUI. It’s certainly not as complex as many of the GUI programs I use daily. And yet it’s by far the buggiest and worst performing. I don’t understand the desire to make excuses for this. The reason people use it is because it’s the only way they can afford to use Opus and Fable. If Anthropic let people use their subs with other harnesses their market share would plummet. If they could migrate an entire runtime to Rust why can’t they migrate CC? It’s not as if React is the only way to do declarative UI.
        lionkor 2mo ago
- shimman 2mo ago
  Okay and as someone who would rather just straight up use cursor than claude code, I'd rather have my software not crash out on me every 5 minutes. What sort of self respecting dev purposely uses broken software? Even opencode (use it on nonwork computers) is fully better at this point.
  - scrollaway 2mo ago
    Disingenuous, much? I've only ever had claude code crash once (after it decided to spawn like 12 subagents and got my laptop swapping like mad). If you're crashing every 5 minutes, either you have a cursed build, or you need to do a memtest.
    - shimman 2mo ago
      It's not disingenuous, claude code has over 5k issues that are ignore plus thousands of more that were just silent closed. This is a product by a company worth supposedly $1trillion and they can't even make one of their starship products not shit the bad within 5 minutes? These are the same engineers telling us for the last 3 years that coding is solved? Like it's pathetic, and it's pathetic you're falling for it too. Have some standards, good grief.
      - scrollaway 2mo ago
        I have standards. I have a literal Star Trek conception on my literal Star Trek device. Impossible to even think about how inconceivable this stuff was years ago. And you’re complaining because they use react. The epitome of entitlement, first world problems and privilege all together.

Maybe because the 1st thing any experienced technical person would think about? It's like rebuilding and optimizing the racing track to make F1 run faster.

by vdfs 2mo ago

Maybe because the 1st thing any experienced technical person would think about? It's like rebuilding and optimizing the racing track to make F1 run faster.

harrisi 2mo ago

Perhaps. The thing I was trying to highlight more is comments (particularly disapproving ones) about the intersection of JavaScript (especially React, apparently), TUIs, and LLMs. I just thought it was interesting. I'm a fan of TUIs, both positive and negative about JavaScript (the modern language is quite nice, given you avoid the historical warts, in my opinion - the ecosystem is unfortunate), and I think the best description for how I feel about LLMs is that I'm bearish. Also Simon is a fantastically prolific and intelligent person though, even though LLMs are not my cup of tea. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48960912 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48960912 is a recent comment by someone I also respect related to how LLMs recreate human-like content (Widgets, really), making actual human-created content feel fake. Sometimes it sure does feel like ELIZA is the main news source these days.

scrollaway 2mo ago

I have ~24 years of experience coding and the LAST thing I think about when opening claude code is "why is this written in react". Tell you what I sometimes think about though: The fact it has clickable links and complex formatting rules for markdown, the most interactive and highest-quality clickable interface I've ever seen in a terminal, and somehow manages to work. That actually blows my mind. THEN, I'm reminded that it's written in React, and I think "Huh, guess that does make it a ton easier than using ncurses or something." And done.

slopinthebag 2mo ago
You’ve been writing code for 24 years and you don’t know that clickable links are a terminal emulator feature and not a Claude Code feature? Or that “markdown formatting” is just ansi escape codes, and possible with things other than React that don’t bring so many downsides?
- scrollaway 2mo ago
  Claude Code is able to hyperlink any kind of text, not just the native terminal emulator feature of hyperlinking anything starting with https://... And your "it's just ANSI escape codes" is the weirdest take on any kind of software.
  - slopinthebag 2mo ago
    Formatted hyperlinks are an escape code too. It has nothing to do with React. Not sure why you’re trying to bring up experience as a justification for using React to render a tui and all the downsides that come with that.
    - scrollaway 2mo ago
      It sounds like you completely missed the point I was making: that actually implementing such a highly dynamic TUI application normally requires a significant amount of state tracking and it is significantly easier to write such apps using a functional, descriptive UI framework instead of something like ncurses. Take it from someone who, in those 24 years, has written UIs in jquery, react and ncurses (and yeah I've tried out Ink and it's great). "all the downsides that come with that" yeah well, while you're stuck implementing your app in the Best Possible Library, millions of people are happy using claude code and it's crazy useful.
      - slopinthebag 2mo ago
        CC is not even that complex of a TUI. It’s certainly not as complex as many of the GUI programs I use daily. And yet it’s by far the buggiest and worst performing. I don’t understand the desire to make excuses for this. The reason people use it is because it’s the only way they can afford to use Opus and Fable. If Anthropic let people use their subs with other harnesses their market share would plummet. If they could migrate an entire runtime to Rust why can’t they migrate CC? It’s not as if React is the only way to do declarative UI.
      - lionkor 2mo ago
shimman 2mo ago
Okay and as someone who would rather just straight up use cursor than claude code, I'd rather have my software not crash out on me every 5 minutes. What sort of self respecting dev purposely uses broken software? Even opencode (use it on nonwork computers) is fully better at this point.
- scrollaway 2mo ago
  Disingenuous, much? I've only ever had claude code crash once (after it decided to spawn like 12 subagents and got my laptop swapping like mad). If you're crashing every 5 minutes, either you have a cursed build, or you need to do a memtest.
  - shimman 2mo ago
    It's not disingenuous, claude code has over 5k issues that are ignore plus thousands of more that were just silent closed. This is a product by a company worth supposedly $1trillion and they can't even make one of their starship products not shit the bad within 5 minutes? These are the same engineers telling us for the last 3 years that coding is solved? Like it's pathetic, and it's pathetic you're falling for it too. Have some standards, good grief.
    - scrollaway 2mo ago
      I have standards. I have a literal Star Trek conception on my literal Star Trek device. Impossible to even think about how inconceivable this stuff was years ago. And you’re complaining because they use react. The epitome of entitlement, first world problems and privilege all together.