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What do you recommend instead? In my opinion the Razer mice are always superior for FPS.

by dimgl 2mo ago

orbital-decay 2mo ago
Some Razer mice were somewhat good in the times when the sensor mattered, with the rest of them being absolute garbage (starting with the Copperhead which barely worked). Today there's a ton of niche manufacturers with great internals that will exceed any requirements you might possibly have. If you're really interested in FPS performance and not just the brand, choose for the ergonomics first, it's not possible to recommend anything without knowing your play style, hand size etc. The shape and weight you like, and complementary feet and mat with the exact static/dynamic friction you need. Then check if the internals are good enough (they likely are) and whether there are any firmware issues like extra jitter on flicks or unavoidable debounce lag, then look at the required software. There's a ton of mice with excellent performance that are configurable without ANY software.
- sbrother 2mo ago
  > choose for the ergonomics first This is unfortunately why I keep buying the Razer Deathadder Pro. It fits my hand perfectly and is super accurate. I hate their software, and the company, but the performance and ergonomics of the mouse are worth it to me.
  - orbital-decay 2mo ago
    DA has probably the most widely cloned shape in the market and has many identical or compatible alternatives and clones, check e.g. MCHOSE A7 Ultra RE or Pulsar Xlite v4 Large (never had either so can't vouch for their software) https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-deathadder-v4-pro-vs.-pulsar-xlite-v4-large-vs.-mchose-a7-ultra-re https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-deathadder-v... https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/3d/razer-deathadder-v4-pro-vs.-pulsar-xlite-v3?overlap=stacked https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/3d...
LoganDark 2mo ago
I know hardly anything about FPS but the reason I like Razer mice is the hardware macros. Configuration profiles are saved to the device and macros are performed at the hardware level. Some actions work with the razer software but most of them don't have to.
aeon_ai 2mo ago
Logitech have always made great gaming mice in my experience, at a reasonable price
- Gigachad 2mo ago
  Most logitech mice have rubberized outsides which turn to goo after about a year.
ak217 2mo ago
Logitech all the way. Logitech is a truly innovative company. They actually care deeply about ergonomics. They also introduced the first mass market application of programmable magnets (in the MX Master mouse scroll wheel) - that's incredibly advanced materials science.
- eknkc 2mo ago
  They also managed to develop a steaming pile of shit called Logi Options+ which you need to set up your mouse (I only used the mac version to be fair)
  - draugadrotten 2mo ago
    I can happily share that there is an open-source alternative, https://github.com/TomBadash/Mouser https://github.com/TomBadash/Mouser
  - Tallain 2mo ago
    You don't need it. The mouse functions perfectly fine without it. And you can even switch DPI when the mouse has a button to do that. The software allows for fine-tuned settings, button remapping, etc. It is awful software, to be sure, but it's not necessary to use the mouse.
- badpun 2mo ago
  I’m no longer sure about their quality though. Out of four Logitech mice I bought recently (four different models), two died within a year. At least their warranty repair/replace process was decent.
  - carey 2mo ago
    Their buttons fail way too easily, but can usually be fixed with some WD-40, CRC 5-56, or any similar thin oil.
  - prmoustache 2mo ago
    What do you do to your mouses to make them fail so quickly? Are you throwing them randomly accross the room?
xboxnolifes 2mo ago
80% of a mouse decision should be which form fits best for your hand. Unfortunately for me that's razor mice. (Well, the Viper v2, I dont love the v3 I have now.)
simoncion 2mo ago
If you can find an original Glorious [0] Model O, that's a nice piece of hardware. The new Model O looks like it only works with their new, totally garbage Glorious CORE v2 software. If you never want to change the DPIs, lighting, or button assignments, & etc then you don't need the software... so if what the hardware does out of the box is fine for you, then you don't need to worry about how trash CORE v2 is. CORE v1 is okay, but still notably worse than the Model O software. I don't know why they farmed out the development of CORE v2 to "the CEO's middle-school nephew who's 'good with computers'", but they did. [0] ...they were originally called "Glorious PC Gaming Race" (in homage to the Reddit meme), but dropped that last bit from their company name a while back...
- J_Shelby_J 2mo ago
  Model I with four thumb buttons is irreplaceable for me
  - simoncion 2mo ago
    I also have a Model I and am unhappy with the fact that -when last I checked- you can't configure the three or four extra buttons so they're actually buttons. Your only option is for them to generate keypresses, or do mouse-management functions -such as "cycle DPI"-. This is... frustrating. Multi-button HID devices are -arguably- easier to do than something that pretends to be both a mouse and a keyboard. I get that some games may not understand how to deal with mice that have more than four or five mouse buttons, it'd be quite nice if I had the option to set things up so that I can use them as buttons in games that know how to handle them.
vultour 2mo ago
You literally need two or three mouse buttons for a FPS game. This argument might have worked if you said MMO because there’s a million abilities you can use but there’s absolutely nothing special about Razer mice when it comes to FPS specifically.
skirmish 2mo ago
Mousereview reddit always recommends looking at Chinese gaming mice, they have reasonable prices, often clone popular mouse shapes from large brands (see [1]) and have the latest sensors. [1] EloShapes find similar: https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/find-similar https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/find-similar
- skirmish 2mo ago
  Just found another mouse shape comparison site that may help: https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/ https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/
midnightbobarun 2mo ago
I'd say any cheap mouse off Amazon that has a pleasing shape is usually good enough, but I've also never ranked above gold in any competitive PvP shooter, so there's that :') I'm currently using a wireless ProtoArc mouse. Good shape, can adjust DPI on the fly, hasn't broken even after a year. I think it was like 30 bucks maybe?
bayindirh 2mo ago
I used to pulverize my friends with a Logitech G700 in Quake3/OpenArena. I'm sure it has a newer version. Razer was never "definitively better". It's merely competitive with other top ones, that's all. Before G700, Logitech even had a mouse with two sensors and was the undisputed king for FPS quite some time.
Hikikomori 2mo ago
Depends on which one and when it was sold. Some razers have pretty outdated sensors, plenty of better, lighter and cheaper options available.
gladimdim 2mo ago
I got an ASUS Rog Gladius III Wireless with my Asus ROG laptop. Thought it was a 'free' crap but damned. It is so good and lightweight. Has 3 modes: wifi, BT, cord. Now at my house we all have Asus Gladius mouses! There are also cheaper versions with just a cable connection. And they work without installing Asus Crap Software Center.

What do you recommend instead? In my opinion the Razer mice are always superior for FPS.

by dimgl 2mo ago

What do you recommend instead? In my opinion the Razer mice are always superior for FPS.

Some Razer mice were somewhat good in the times when the sensor mattered, with the rest of them being absolute garbage (starting with the Copperhead which barely worked). Today there's a ton of niche manufacturers with great internals that will exceed any requirements you might possibly have. If you're really interested in FPS performance and not just the brand, choose for the ergonomics first, it's not possible to recommend anything without knowing your play style, hand size etc. The shape and weight you like, and complementary feet and mat with the exact static/dynamic friction you need. Then check if the internals are good enough (they likely are) and whether there are any firmware issues like extra jitter on flicks or unavoidable debounce lag, then look at the required software. There's a ton of mice with excellent performance that are configurable without ANY software.

sbrother 2mo ago
> choose for the ergonomics first This is unfortunately why I keep buying the Razer Deathadder Pro. It fits my hand perfectly and is super accurate. I hate their software, and the company, but the performance and ergonomics of the mouse are worth it to me.
- orbital-decay 2mo ago
  DA has probably the most widely cloned shape in the market and has many identical or compatible alternatives and clones, check e.g. MCHOSE A7 Ultra RE or Pulsar Xlite v4 Large (never had either so can't vouch for their software) https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-deathadder-v4-pro-vs.-pulsar-xlite-v4-large-vs.-mchose-a7-ultra-re https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-deathadder-v... https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/3d/razer-deathadder-v4-pro-vs.-pulsar-xlite-v3?overlap=stacked https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/3d...

LoganDark 2mo ago

I know hardly anything about FPS but the reason I like Razer mice is the hardware macros. Configuration profiles are saved to the device and macros are performed at the hardware level. Some actions work with the razer software but most of them don't have to.

aeon_ai 2mo ago

Logitech have always made great gaming mice in my experience, at a reasonable price

Gigachad 2mo ago
Most logitech mice have rubberized outsides which turn to goo after about a year.

ak217 2mo ago

Logitech all the way. Logitech is a truly innovative company. They actually care deeply about ergonomics. They also introduced the first mass market application of programmable magnets (in the MX Master mouse scroll wheel) - that's incredibly advanced materials science.

eknkc 2mo ago
They also managed to develop a steaming pile of shit called Logi Options+ which you need to set up your mouse (I only used the mac version to be fair)
- draugadrotten 2mo ago
  I can happily share that there is an open-source alternative, https://github.com/TomBadash/Mouser https://github.com/TomBadash/Mouser
- Tallain 2mo ago
  You don't need it. The mouse functions perfectly fine without it. And you can even switch DPI when the mouse has a button to do that. The software allows for fine-tuned settings, button remapping, etc. It is awful software, to be sure, but it's not necessary to use the mouse.
badpun 2mo ago
I’m no longer sure about their quality though. Out of four Logitech mice I bought recently (four different models), two died within a year. At least their warranty repair/replace process was decent.
- carey 2mo ago
  Their buttons fail way too easily, but can usually be fixed with some WD-40, CRC 5-56, or any similar thin oil.
- prmoustache 2mo ago
  What do you do to your mouses to make them fail so quickly? Are you throwing them randomly accross the room?

xboxnolifes 2mo ago

80% of a mouse decision should be which form fits best for your hand. Unfortunately for me that's razor mice. (Well, the Viper v2, I dont love the v3 I have now.)

simoncion 2mo ago

If you can find an original Glorious [0] Model O, that's a nice piece of hardware. The new Model O looks like it only works with their new, totally garbage Glorious CORE v2 software. If you never want to change the DPIs, lighting, or button assignments, & etc then you don't need the software... so if what the hardware does out of the box is fine for you, then you don't need to worry about how trash CORE v2 is. CORE v1 is okay, but still notably worse than the Model O software. I don't know why they farmed out the development of CORE v2 to "the CEO's middle-school nephew who's 'good with computers'", but they did. [0] ...they were originally called "Glorious PC Gaming Race" (in homage to the Reddit meme), but dropped that last bit from their company name a while back...

J_Shelby_J 2mo ago
Model I with four thumb buttons is irreplaceable for me
- simoncion 2mo ago
  I also have a Model I and am unhappy with the fact that -when last I checked- you can't configure the three or four extra buttons so they're actually buttons. Your only option is for them to generate keypresses, or do mouse-management functions -such as "cycle DPI"-. This is... frustrating. Multi-button HID devices are -arguably- easier to do than something that pretends to be both a mouse and a keyboard. I get that some games may not understand how to deal with mice that have more than four or five mouse buttons, it'd be quite nice if I had the option to set things up so that I can use them as buttons in games that know how to handle them.

vultour 2mo ago

You literally need two or three mouse buttons for a FPS game. This argument might have worked if you said MMO because there’s a million abilities you can use but there’s absolutely nothing special about Razer mice when it comes to FPS specifically.

skirmish 2mo ago

Mousereview reddit always recommends looking at Chinese gaming mice, they have reasonable prices, often clone popular mouse shapes from large brands (see [1]) and have the latest sensors. [1] EloShapes find similar: https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/find-similar https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/find-similar

skirmish 2mo ago
Just found another mouse shape comparison site that may help: https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/ https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/

midnightbobarun 2mo ago

I'd say any cheap mouse off Amazon that has a pleasing shape is usually good enough, but I've also never ranked above gold in any competitive PvP shooter, so there's that :') I'm currently using a wireless ProtoArc mouse. Good shape, can adjust DPI on the fly, hasn't broken even after a year. I think it was like 30 bucks maybe?

bayindirh 2mo ago

I used to pulverize my friends with a Logitech G700 in Quake3/OpenArena. I'm sure it has a newer version. Razer was never "definitively better". It's merely competitive with other top ones, that's all. Before G700, Logitech even had a mouse with two sensors and was the undisputed king for FPS quite some time.

Hikikomori 2mo ago

Depends on which one and when it was sold. Some razers have pretty outdated sensors, plenty of better, lighter and cheaper options available.

gladimdim 2mo ago

I got an ASUS Rog Gladius III Wireless with my Asus ROG laptop. Thought it was a 'free' crap but damned. It is so good and lightweight. Has 3 modes: wifi, BT, cord. Now at my house we all have Asus Gladius mouses! There are also cheaper versions with just a cable connection. And they work without installing Asus Crap Software Center.