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If you loved Catch-22 you will love ”Careless people”! I warmly recommend a read. Not to support Sarah necessarily - just because the book is great! It’s not re

by fsloth 2mo ago

If you loved Catch-22 you will love ”Careless people”! I warmly recommend a read. Not to support Sarah necessarily - just because the book is great! It’s not really a spill-the-tea as much absurdist escapade in corporate america. Ok the details on Zuckerberg and ”Lean In” Sandberg _are_ bizarre. Which makes it a super fun read.

fivetenpen 2mo ago
I’m listening to the audiobook now and it’s captivating. These meta executives really live in a different world. The part with Sandburg and Sarah on the plane was absolutely wild. I can take a good guess at who is leading the charge to silence Sarah after reading that.
tim-tday 2mo ago
I love the Streisand effect in play here. Sucks that she’s getting attacked. Hopefully the punitive damages she wins will be staggering.
utdoctor 2mo ago
I’m a bit over halfway through the book after purchasing it based off the premise alone and, I may be in the minority, but I find her insufferable and very naive. On more than one occasion makes comparisons to the lofty idealized and non pragmatic goals of governmental institutions like the UN and seems bewildered that a business like Meta doesn’t (obviously) have the same aspirations/alignment. She just reminds me of a very naive college student from what I’ve read thus far. Grinds my gears but I’m going to finish it.
- andor 2mo ago
  So you’re saying that it’s naive to expect a company to care whether they are facilitating a genocide in one of their growth markets? You must be fun to work with
  - watwut 2mo ago
    At one point, she makes Zuckenberg meet with presidents who consider facebook harfull. It is around after everyone realizes facebook decides elections. She expects presidents to tell Zuckenberg about harms of facebook. To kind of unload onto him, so that Zuckenberg stop doing bad things. Instead, presidents kiss his ass ... probably to get help in the next election. It is this sort of thing that makes her come accross naive.
- watwut 2mo ago
  I think yes, she is naive. She understands diplomacy, but is perpetually surprised by politics of the situation. But, if she was not naive, she would either leave much sooner or comfortably fit into the dark side. Also, when I read the description of the workplace, between dleep deprivation and isolation from non facebook people, everyone ends up in a bit of "cult group" thinking. That makes you even less likely to think accurately about what goes on around you.
  - fsloth 2mo ago
    TBH to me she reads as high performing idealist, not naive. Different things, may give similar signals.
- fsloth 2mo ago
  "insufferable and very naive." IMHO she is just not from US. US culture _is_ totally foreign to anyone not from there. Read the part where she describes her interactions with New Zealand prime minister and you will get it. That part to me feels natural (I'm from Finland). Everything else in the book reads like absurdist black comedy to me and not how I would expect people to behave normally.

by fsloth 2mo ago

fivetenpen 2mo ago

I’m listening to the audiobook now and it’s captivating. These meta executives really live in a different world. The part with Sandburg and Sarah on the plane was absolutely wild. I can take a good guess at who is leading the charge to silence Sarah after reading that.

tim-tday 2mo ago

I love the Streisand effect in play here. Sucks that she’s getting attacked. Hopefully the punitive damages she wins will be staggering.

utdoctor 2mo ago

I’m a bit over halfway through the book after purchasing it based off the premise alone and, I may be in the minority, but I find her insufferable and very naive. On more than one occasion makes comparisons to the lofty idealized and non pragmatic goals of governmental institutions like the UN and seems bewildered that a business like Meta doesn’t (obviously) have the same aspirations/alignment. She just reminds me of a very naive college student from what I’ve read thus far. Grinds my gears but I’m going to finish it.

andor 2mo ago
So you’re saying that it’s naive to expect a company to care whether they are facilitating a genocide in one of their growth markets? You must be fun to work with
- watwut 2mo ago
  At one point, she makes Zuckenberg meet with presidents who consider facebook harfull. It is around after everyone realizes facebook decides elections. She expects presidents to tell Zuckenberg about harms of facebook. To kind of unload onto him, so that Zuckenberg stop doing bad things. Instead, presidents kiss his ass ... probably to get help in the next election. It is this sort of thing that makes her come accross naive.
watwut 2mo ago
I think yes, she is naive. She understands diplomacy, but is perpetually surprised by politics of the situation. But, if she was not naive, she would either leave much sooner or comfortably fit into the dark side. Also, when I read the description of the workplace, between dleep deprivation and isolation from non facebook people, everyone ends up in a bit of "cult group" thinking. That makes you even less likely to think accurately about what goes on around you.
- fsloth 2mo ago
  TBH to me she reads as high performing idealist, not naive. Different things, may give similar signals.
fsloth 2mo ago
"insufferable and very naive." IMHO she is just not from US. US culture _is_ totally foreign to anyone not from there. Read the part where she describes her interactions with New Zealand prime minister and you will get it. That part to me feels natural (I'm from Finland). Everything else in the book reads like absurdist black comedy to me and not how I would expect people to behave normally.