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The Ukrainian executed 100k Polish civilians not too long ago, but I'm sure now they are angels.

yakshaving_jgt 2mo ago
You’re not a Konfederacja voter by any chance? I’m so fucking embarrassed to be Polish and hear this populism bullshit from Nawrocki and any other compromised russian shill. You know who killed our people? The fucking russians. Remember when the bad guys came from Berlin? The other bad guys came from Moscow. Don’t forget that. ——— For anyone unsure what this throwaway account is talking about: when he says “not too long ago” in a discussion about a war that is happening literally today, he’s talking about 1943. If this isn’t a bad faith argument from an antagonist, then I don’t know what is.
- iugtmkbdfil834 2mo ago
  Stop. The whole thing is ridiculous from simple historical perspective. Poland was razed down, pillaged, 'visited', 'saved', enriched and whole host of other euphemisms over the course of its hundreds of years of various types of existence by a rather long list of conquerors. << when he says “not too long ago” in a discussion about a war that is happening literally today, he’s talking about 1943. If this isn’t a bad faith argument from an antagonist, then I don’t know what is. Sigh, it is not bad faith. If anything, it is bad faith to pretend past did not happen.
  - yakshaving_jgt 2mo ago
    Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.
    - throwawaytea 2mo ago
      They literally celebrate the group that did it, tofl this day. Zalensky recently had a medal/award rescinded by Poland because of it.
      - yakshaving_jgt 2mo ago
        Please assume that the people you are talking to you are not ignorant. In this case, I believe I am substantially more up to date with both Ukrainian and Polish politics than you are. From your comments, it appears your knowledge on the topic is superficial at best.
        throwawaytea 2mo ago
        I'm not assuming you are ignorant. More like wrong, or misinformed, or corrupt, or an enemy of good people, or stupid.
        iugtmkbdfil834 2mo ago
        Hmm, lets assume you know more than anyone on this board regarding Ukrainian and Polish politics ( you may well do that ). But this only confers knowledge upon you, but not, for lack of a better term, wisdom and understanding. I do not suggest I am a paragon of the latter ( or the former for that matter ), but I know just enough to know evasion ( 'Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.' ), when I see one.
antii 2mo ago
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ponector 2mo ago
Polish estimates are closer to 20k, btw. And Polish forces executed thousands of Ukrainians as well during the same events. Also don't forget russians executed 22k Polish prisoners of war in 1940 and lied about it for decades. Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians who are holding back russians? Russians who are casually invade neighbors once in a while and committing atrocities
- iugtmkbdfil834 2mo ago
  Hmm, it is mildly fascinating that it has to be said. Germans in government typically don't celebrate the adherents to the events that Poles were subjected to. Ukrainian government on the other hand uses lets call it something of an ambiguous framing to make it charitable. Similarly, Russia was saving Poles from WW2 ( all while effectively enforcing its particular brand of crazy upon the land ). Now, Ukraine is absorbing Russia's onslaught ( and that is something Poles benefit from even if they don't admit it ), but lets be clear. They ( Ukraine ) are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.
  - yakshaving_jgt 2mo ago
    > Similarly, Russia was saving Poles from WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...
    - iugtmkbdfil834 2mo ago
      I have to remember to stop trying to use euphemisms on the world wide web.
- drysine 2mo ago
  >Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians Germans condemn what they did, the Ukrainians are making Pantheon[0][1] of their war criminals who committed genocide[2]. [0] https://kyivindependent.com/pantheon-of-ukrainian-heroes-to-be-built-at-one-of-orthodox-christianitys-most-sacred-spots/ https://kyivindependent.com/pantheon-of-ukrainian-heroes-to-... [1] https://tvpworld.com/94337029/polands-divided-right-puts-ukraines-eu-accession-at-risk https://tvpworld.com/94337029/polands-divided-right-puts-ukr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...

You’re not a Konfederacja voter by any chance? I’m so fucking embarrassed to be Polish and hear this populism bullshit from Nawrocki and any other compromised russian shill. You know who killed our people? The fucking russians. Remember when the bad guys came from Berlin? The other bad guys came from Moscow. Don’t forget that. ——— For anyone unsure what this throwaway account is talking about: when he says “not too long ago” in a discussion about a war that is happening literally today, he’s talking about 1943. If this isn’t a bad faith argument from an antagonist, then I don’t know what is.

iugtmkbdfil834 2mo ago
Stop. The whole thing is ridiculous from simple historical perspective. Poland was razed down, pillaged, 'visited', 'saved', enriched and whole host of other euphemisms over the course of its hundreds of years of various types of existence by a rather long list of conquerors. << when he says “not too long ago” in a discussion about a war that is happening literally today, he’s talking about 1943. If this isn’t a bad faith argument from an antagonist, then I don’t know what is. Sigh, it is not bad faith. If anything, it is bad faith to pretend past did not happen.
- yakshaving_jgt 2mo ago
  Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.
  - throwawaytea 2mo ago
    They literally celebrate the group that did it, tofl this day. Zalensky recently had a medal/award rescinded by Poland because of it.
    - yakshaving_jgt 2mo ago
      Please assume that the people you are talking to you are not ignorant. In this case, I believe I am substantially more up to date with both Ukrainian and Polish politics than you are. From your comments, it appears your knowledge on the topic is superficial at best.
      - throwawaytea 2mo ago
        I'm not assuming you are ignorant. More like wrong, or misinformed, or corrupt, or an enemy of good people, or stupid.
      - iugtmkbdfil834 2mo ago
        Hmm, lets assume you know more than anyone on this board regarding Ukrainian and Polish politics ( you may well do that ). But this only confers knowledge upon you, but not, for lack of a better term, wisdom and understanding. I do not suggest I am a paragon of the latter ( or the former for that matter ), but I know just enough to know evasion ( 'Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.' ), when I see one.

antii 2mo ago

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ponector 2mo ago

Polish estimates are closer to 20k, btw. And Polish forces executed thousands of Ukrainians as well during the same events. Also don't forget russians executed 22k Polish prisoners of war in 1940 and lied about it for decades. Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians who are holding back russians? Russians who are casually invade neighbors once in a while and committing atrocities

iugtmkbdfil834 2mo ago
Hmm, it is mildly fascinating that it has to be said. Germans in government typically don't celebrate the adherents to the events that Poles were subjected to. Ukrainian government on the other hand uses lets call it something of an ambiguous framing to make it charitable. Similarly, Russia was saving Poles from WW2 ( all while effectively enforcing its particular brand of crazy upon the land ). Now, Ukraine is absorbing Russia's onslaught ( and that is something Poles benefit from even if they don't admit it ), but lets be clear. They ( Ukraine ) are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.
- yakshaving_jgt 2mo ago
  > Similarly, Russia was saving Poles from WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...
  - iugtmkbdfil834 2mo ago
    I have to remember to stop trying to use euphemisms on the world wide web.
drysine 2mo ago
>Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians Germans condemn what they did, the Ukrainians are making Pantheon[0][1] of their war criminals who committed genocide[2]. [0] https://kyivindependent.com/pantheon-of-ukrainian-heroes-to-be-built-at-one-of-orthodox-christianitys-most-sacred-spots/ https://kyivindependent.com/pantheon-of-ukrainian-heroes-to-... [1] https://tvpworld.com/94337029/polands-divided-right-puts-ukraines-eu-accession-at-risk https://tvpworld.com/94337029/polands-divided-right-puts-ukr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...