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What I don't understand, based on this: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 the votes are the other way around, with the maj

by xaitv 2mo ago

What I don't understand, based on this: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 the votes are the other way around, with the majority being for. I'm guessing that site has it reversed then or I don't fully understand the proposal? Looking at which politicians from my country voted "no" on this site it seems to be mostly the ones that I'd expect to vote "yes", so that would support this site just having the options reversed.

dmichulke 2mo ago
Found this, source: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ On 7 July, MEPs voted 331–303 to fast-track the return of Chat Control 1.0 mass scanning. A binding vote follows Thursday, 9 July, where an absolute majority of 361 MEPs is needed to stop it. Take action now to demand they defend your private messages. "Yes" means stop control, because it's a "proposition de rejet" we're looking at. rejet = reject. Parties in favor of chat control were: - European People’s Party and - Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats. Countries in favor of chat control were: Spain, Poland, Romania, Sweden, Hungary, Portugal, Greece, Ireland, Lithuania, Latvia, Cyprus If you look at the initial vote from July 7, there are a few countries who actually wanted to make it an "urgent decision" (other than the countries above): France, Czechia, Finland, Croatia, Luxembourg
- thisOtterBeGood 2mo ago
  The selection of countries seems so random. The poorer countries seem to be in favor, no judgment there... It looks like a pay-off list, though.
  - omnimus 2mo ago
    The whole thing also played like a game. 6 months ago the vote was signaled as pretty safely against chat control. You could watch how one by one the MEPs switched their positions. I assume they realized the vote wont hurt them because it's under the radar of general population. So it was safe to follow the lobby money.
  - tsimionescu 2mo ago
    I don't know about the other countries, but in Romania most politicians are aligned with our secret service (quite a few even in the upper echelons are literally undercover agents - which sounds like a conspiracy theory but is well documented in some cases), so they are quite naturally aligned with this initiative.
- petre 2mo ago
  Hmm most MPs from Renew, Greens and eurosceptics (ECR) from my country voted yes. I'm a bit surprised since some of those are hardliner Christian conservatives that I'd never vote for under any circumstances.
- teekert 2mo ago
  Maybe the voters also got confused and that's why it passed?
  - gus_massa 2mo ago
    They have one job (with a high salary), a lot of personal assistants and technical support from specialist from their own party. They only have to remember if they have to press the red or the blue button.
    - sysguest 2mo ago
      well... maybe color blindness?
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sampo 2mo ago
> What I don't understand, based on this: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 the votes are the other way around They voted for "Proposition de rejet". It's written there, but it's in French.

by xaitv 2mo ago

dmichulke 2mo ago

Found this, source: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ On 7 July, MEPs voted 331–303 to fast-track the return of Chat Control 1.0 mass scanning. A binding vote follows Thursday, 9 July, where an absolute majority of 361 MEPs is needed to stop it. Take action now to demand they defend your private messages. "Yes" means stop control, because it's a "proposition de rejet" we're looking at. rejet = reject. Parties in favor of chat control were: - European People’s Party and - Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats. Countries in favor of chat control were: Spain, Poland, Romania, Sweden, Hungary, Portugal, Greece, Ireland, Lithuania, Latvia, Cyprus If you look at the initial vote from July 7, there are a few countries who actually wanted to make it an "urgent decision" (other than the countries above): France, Czechia, Finland, Croatia, Luxembourg

thisOtterBeGood 2mo ago
The selection of countries seems so random. The poorer countries seem to be in favor, no judgment there... It looks like a pay-off list, though.
- omnimus 2mo ago
  The whole thing also played like a game. 6 months ago the vote was signaled as pretty safely against chat control. You could watch how one by one the MEPs switched their positions. I assume they realized the vote wont hurt them because it's under the radar of general population. So it was safe to follow the lobby money.
- tsimionescu 2mo ago
  I don't know about the other countries, but in Romania most politicians are aligned with our secret service (quite a few even in the upper echelons are literally undercover agents - which sounds like a conspiracy theory but is well documented in some cases), so they are quite naturally aligned with this initiative.
petre 2mo ago
Hmm most MPs from Renew, Greens and eurosceptics (ECR) from my country voted yes. I'm a bit surprised since some of those are hardliner Christian conservatives that I'd never vote for under any circumstances.
teekert 2mo ago
Maybe the voters also got confused and that's why it passed?
- gus_massa 2mo ago
  They have one job (with a high salary), a lot of personal assistants and technical support from specialist from their own party. They only have to remember if they have to press the red or the blue button.
  - sysguest 2mo ago
    well... maybe color blindness?
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sampo 2mo ago

> What I don't understand, based on this: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 the votes are the other way around They voted for "Proposition de rejet". It's written there, but it's in French.