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I don't care at all about what way someone moves their arm unless it's causing violence, and cannot understand why any sane person would. Even if someone did th

I don't care at all about what way someone moves their arm unless it's causing violence, and cannot understand why any sane person would. Even if someone did the most nazi salute ever, I still wouldn't care at all, it's an arm movement. Stop pretending normal people care about this

estearum 2mo ago
What do you mean "causing violence?" It sounds like you're suggesting Hitler's moving of his arm somehow caused violence. Can you explain how that could possibly be true under your model of "arm movements don't matter"? As far as I know, Hitler himself never struck anyone with an outstretched hand. Certainly that's not the crime he's accused of. I don't think you can actually prove that Hitler's arm movements had any causal relationship to the Holocaust, to be honest. So presumably he's in the clear, and there's no reason a normal person would've cared about Hitler's arm movements in the 30s and 40s, correct? As far as I know, Hitler himself just said words. Same with Pol Pot, Hirohito, Mao, Stalin, and Lenin. How could you possibly attribute violence to any of that under your model of "I'm so smart I can't see causation or intent?"
- lyle5219 2mo ago
  unless you're punching or stabbing someone I really do not care what way you move your arm, whether it's associated with something 80 years ago or not.
  - estearum 2mo ago
    Okay so a politician who orders the state to go hunt down your family is in the clear, the guy who drives the secret police to your house is in the clear, but the guys who actually place hands on your children are fully culpable. Am I understanding correctly?
    - lyle5219 2mo ago
      yes you are understanding correctly? what's so hard about understanding that?? By your logic the SS did nothing wrong because they were following orders? Does this work for positives too like if a doctor saves someones life they didn't actually do anything good at all it was their boss who hired them? Everyone is accountable for their own actions. If you can be convinced to do something evil by someone else that's your own problem.
      - karmakurtisaani 2mo ago
        Ah, so Hitler did nothing wrong. Peak HN here, ladies and gentlemen.
      - estearum 2mo ago
        Lmao You: "Giving orders to do evil is morally fine" Me: "No I don't think so" You: "Oh okay, so acting on orders to do evil is morally fine?!" Uhh, nope. What a topsy-turvy moral world you've built for yourself. Such is the challenge of an unprincipled man.
torlok 2mo ago
DOGE gutted SSA, IRS, directly affecting seniors and other vulnerable people getting checks, gutted CFPB taking away fraud protection, not to mention gutting of USAID which caused countless deaths, though I'm sure you don't care. Musk used his wealth and social platform to greatly help elect a man, whose personal gestapo is now chasing down non-white US citizens and disappearing them. But sure, he didn't personally punch anybody, and doesn't wear an SS uniform in public.
- sdrune 2mo ago
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  - estearum 2mo ago
    SSA, IRS, USAID are not “extreme left” lmao Point and laugh folks!
    - karmakurtisaani 2mo ago
      The guy used Fox News arguments and dared to blame others for being brainwashed. Pointing and laughing seems to be the only option left here, indeed.
- lyle5219 2mo ago
  no amount of words is going to convince me raising your arm in a certain way is bad or that I should care
  - Lomlioto 2mo ago
    Why do you even engage in a discussion about this? Why do you even create an account to do so? You don't care about other opinions, you don't want to argue at all, so?
    - karmakurtisaani 2mo ago
      A couple of fresh accounts spouting nonsense in this thread. Could be just Elon's AI force in action.
dezsiszabi 2mo ago
Stupidest take I heard in a long while and I read reddit everyday, so that's saying something.
lykr0n 2mo ago
> cannot understand why any sane person would because it's not the specific action. it's the reason behind the action. > Stop pretending normal people care about this Stop pretending you're a normal person and it's everyone else who is wrong
StefanBatory 2mo ago
If someone says they don't care about someone doing Nazi salute, I feel that speaks more about them.
level87 2mo ago
the world must be incredibly confusing, with no meaning attributed to anything.
- karmakurtisaani 2mo ago
  At least there is Fox News to spoon feed the truth to people like these.
cdelsolar 2mo ago
i can't tell if this is a joke
Lomlioto 2mo ago
I care. I'm a german and grew up by learning what Nazis did to millions. I was in a concentration camp. I saw the mountain of luggage. Elon Musk didn't just do some arm movements, he deliberately used this symbolism. He could have just appologized, which he did not.

estearum 2mo ago

What do you mean "causing violence?" It sounds like you're suggesting Hitler's moving of his arm somehow caused violence. Can you explain how that could possibly be true under your model of "arm movements don't matter"? As far as I know, Hitler himself never struck anyone with an outstretched hand. Certainly that's not the crime he's accused of. I don't think you can actually prove that Hitler's arm movements had any causal relationship to the Holocaust, to be honest. So presumably he's in the clear, and there's no reason a normal person would've cared about Hitler's arm movements in the 30s and 40s, correct? As far as I know, Hitler himself just said words. Same with Pol Pot, Hirohito, Mao, Stalin, and Lenin. How could you possibly attribute violence to any of that under your model of "I'm so smart I can't see causation or intent?"

lyle5219 2mo ago
unless you're punching or stabbing someone I really do not care what way you move your arm, whether it's associated with something 80 years ago or not.
- estearum 2mo ago
  Okay so a politician who orders the state to go hunt down your family is in the clear, the guy who drives the secret police to your house is in the clear, but the guys who actually place hands on your children are fully culpable. Am I understanding correctly?
  - lyle5219 2mo ago
    yes you are understanding correctly? what's so hard about understanding that?? By your logic the SS did nothing wrong because they were following orders? Does this work for positives too like if a doctor saves someones life they didn't actually do anything good at all it was their boss who hired them? Everyone is accountable for their own actions. If you can be convinced to do something evil by someone else that's your own problem.
    - karmakurtisaani 2mo ago
      Ah, so Hitler did nothing wrong. Peak HN here, ladies and gentlemen.
    - estearum 2mo ago
      Lmao You: "Giving orders to do evil is morally fine" Me: "No I don't think so" You: "Oh okay, so acting on orders to do evil is morally fine?!" Uhh, nope. What a topsy-turvy moral world you've built for yourself. Such is the challenge of an unprincipled man.

torlok 2mo ago

DOGE gutted SSA, IRS, directly affecting seniors and other vulnerable people getting checks, gutted CFPB taking away fraud protection, not to mention gutting of USAID which caused countless deaths, though I'm sure you don't care. Musk used his wealth and social platform to greatly help elect a man, whose personal gestapo is now chasing down non-white US citizens and disappearing them. But sure, he didn't personally punch anybody, and doesn't wear an SS uniform in public.

sdrune 2mo ago
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- estearum 2mo ago
  SSA, IRS, USAID are not “extreme left” lmao Point and laugh folks!
  - karmakurtisaani 2mo ago
    The guy used Fox News arguments and dared to blame others for being brainwashed. Pointing and laughing seems to be the only option left here, indeed.
lyle5219 2mo ago
no amount of words is going to convince me raising your arm in a certain way is bad or that I should care
- Lomlioto 2mo ago
  Why do you even engage in a discussion about this? Why do you even create an account to do so? You don't care about other opinions, you don't want to argue at all, so?
  - karmakurtisaani 2mo ago
    A couple of fresh accounts spouting nonsense in this thread. Could be just Elon's AI force in action.

dezsiszabi 2mo ago

Stupidest take I heard in a long while and I read reddit everyday, so that's saying something.

lykr0n 2mo ago

> cannot understand why any sane person would because it's not the specific action. it's the reason behind the action. > Stop pretending normal people care about this Stop pretending you're a normal person and it's everyone else who is wrong

StefanBatory 2mo ago

If someone says they don't care about someone doing Nazi salute, I feel that speaks more about them.

level87 2mo ago

the world must be incredibly confusing, with no meaning attributed to anything.

karmakurtisaani 2mo ago
At least there is Fox News to spoon feed the truth to people like these.

cdelsolar 2mo ago

i can't tell if this is a joke

Lomlioto 2mo ago

I care. I'm a german and grew up by learning what Nazis did to millions. I was in a concentration camp. I saw the mountain of luggage. Elon Musk didn't just do some arm movements, he deliberately used this symbolism. He could have just appologized, which he did not.