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What engine? Is not this game played in a spreadsheet?

by mynegation 2mo ago

jpfromlondon 2mo ago
it used to be, but it's been less and less perverse over the past ten to fifteen years.
Cthulhu_ 2mo ago
Yes, but you can turn a visual representation on by pressing ctrl+shift+f9.
sim04ful 2mo ago
Jokes aside apparently they've hired economist to keep the game's market's stable.
- Cthulhu_ 2mo ago
  This was at least a decade ago, but the game's economy seems to be managed well enough. Cost of having stuff transported is still 1M / jump.
  - reactordev 2mo ago
    PLEX keeps the markets stable now as they control the flow of PLEX like its Spice from Arrakis
  - sitzkrieg 2mo ago
    depends on size, location, contents, risk, a million other factors. people are not paying 1m/jump to get stuffed freightered around by jita lol
- tuzemec 2mo ago
  Wasn't that Yanis Varoufakis? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanis_Varoufakis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanis_Varoufakis
  - sph 2mo ago
    Nope, Varoufakis consulted with Valve
    - throwaw12 2mo ago
      that's very interesting, is there a place to read his achievements related to Steam? genuinely curious, because Steam is very popular now, and wondering what he did there, and whether his theories helped boost Steam economy/marketplace or not
    - zipy124 2mo ago
      He has however written about the game before, and been interviewed about it: https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/01/30/war-spikes-in-the-eve-online-universe-a-political-economists-account/ https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/01/30/war-spikes-in-the-...
    - tuzemec 2mo ago
      Ah, that's correct. Got it wrong, because he did write some articles about the EVE economy, like this one: https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/01/30/war-spikes-in-the-eve-online-universe-a-political-economists-account/ https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/01/30/war-spikes-in-the-...
axus 2mo ago
https://prosperousuniverse.com https://prosperousuniverse.com is closer, but still not actually a spreadsheet. "This is EVE Online for people who think the 3D spaceships part of EVE is time wasted away from their spreadsheets. "
- adamrezich 2mo ago
  I got way into Prosperous Universe for a few months, a few years back—it was fun for awhile but the pace at which new features were being added to the game was (and still seems to be) absolutely glacial, given what the game is. Really fun ideas in there, though.
  - eminence32 2mo ago
    There's been some new features in the past few years. But you're right that the general pace of new features is slow. There's only about 0.8 developers working on the game. However, if you're the type of person that likes to work on spreadsheets to calculate profit margins and market trends, Prosperous Universe is worth checking out.
    - adamrezich 2mo ago
      One thing I didn't like about it (and briefly experimented with, in a prototype for my own game in a similar vein), was, much like EVE, it's called a “spreadsheet game”, but there's no spreadsheets in the game, or any sort of API bridge that makes doing stuff with the game in an external spreadsheet environment easier. I understand that this may just be part of the appeal of these sorts of games for many people—reading through stat blocks and wiki pages to figure out what numbers and what formulas need to go where to build the Ultimate Spreadsheet for your purposes (though in the end doesn't everyone just use existing Ultimate Spreadsheets created by others, or at least use them as reference?). And trust me, I did have a lot of fun building my Google Sheets infrastructure to coordinate business and production between myself and the three friends I got to (briefly) play Prosperous Universe with me. Also, don't get me wrong, I also enjoyed the subsequent rabbit-hole of learning how spreadsheet implementations actually work, including historical alternative spreadsheet implementations that had a lot of cool ideas like Lotus Improv [0]. But, in the end, I just wasn't having enough fun with Prosperous Universe to keep playing after awhile. [0] This video is worth watching the opening few minutes of just for the vibes alone (trust me) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgGmKD87U3M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgGmKD87U3M
pugworthy 2mo ago
MMOSS (Massive Multiplayer Online Screen Saver) is what I've always seen it as. Beautiful game. Not for the faint of heart .
- Induane 2mo ago
  Right up there with The Endless Forest.
jeremyjh 2mo ago
I thought it was played on the forums? That’s where the nullsec alliance game was played in my day.
kulahan 2mo ago
I can never tell if these comments are jokes or not because I unironically thought this was a spreadsheet game my whole life. For anyone as ignorant as I was, it’s actually a video game. You do fly around in open space, chase or run from ships, and top-level combat is surprisingly difficult to perform. Once you get the hang of flying itself, there’s a whole dance of turning systems on and off to be most efficient with fuel, overheating of ship modules to eke out a bit more performance, and more. Or you can chill out in a high security region, auto-orbit some random asteroid belt, mindlessly mining away with a group of friends while you chat or play magic on Tabletop Sim, or something else equally distracting. I can’t gush enough about the game. The learning curve is huge, but if you’ve got a couple of buddies you like playing games with, this is basically perfect to explore together. They just released a new starter zone, too.

What engine? Is not this game played in a spreadsheet?

jpfromlondon 2mo ago

it used to be, but it's been less and less perverse over the past ten to fifteen years.

Cthulhu_ 2mo ago

Yes, but you can turn a visual representation on by pressing ctrl+shift+f9.

sim04ful 2mo ago

Jokes aside apparently they've hired economist to keep the game's market's stable.

Cthulhu_ 2mo ago
This was at least a decade ago, but the game's economy seems to be managed well enough. Cost of having stuff transported is still 1M / jump.
- reactordev 2mo ago
  PLEX keeps the markets stable now as they control the flow of PLEX like its Spice from Arrakis
- sitzkrieg 2mo ago
  depends on size, location, contents, risk, a million other factors. people are not paying 1m/jump to get stuffed freightered around by jita lol
tuzemec 2mo ago
Wasn't that Yanis Varoufakis? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanis_Varoufakis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanis_Varoufakis
- sph 2mo ago
  Nope, Varoufakis consulted with Valve
  - throwaw12 2mo ago
    that's very interesting, is there a place to read his achievements related to Steam? genuinely curious, because Steam is very popular now, and wondering what he did there, and whether his theories helped boost Steam economy/marketplace or not
  - zipy124 2mo ago
    He has however written about the game before, and been interviewed about it: https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/01/30/war-spikes-in-the-eve-online-universe-a-political-economists-account/ https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/01/30/war-spikes-in-the-...
  - tuzemec 2mo ago
    Ah, that's correct. Got it wrong, because he did write some articles about the EVE economy, like this one: https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/01/30/war-spikes-in-the-eve-online-universe-a-political-economists-account/ https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/01/30/war-spikes-in-the-...

axus 2mo ago

https://prosperousuniverse.com https://prosperousuniverse.com is closer, but still not actually a spreadsheet. "This is EVE Online for people who think the 3D spaceships part of EVE is time wasted away from their spreadsheets. "

adamrezich 2mo ago
I got way into Prosperous Universe for a few months, a few years back—it was fun for awhile but the pace at which new features were being added to the game was (and still seems to be) absolutely glacial, given what the game is. Really fun ideas in there, though.
- eminence32 2mo ago
  There's been some new features in the past few years. But you're right that the general pace of new features is slow. There's only about 0.8 developers working on the game. However, if you're the type of person that likes to work on spreadsheets to calculate profit margins and market trends, Prosperous Universe is worth checking out.
  - adamrezich 2mo ago
    One thing I didn't like about it (and briefly experimented with, in a prototype for my own game in a similar vein), was, much like EVE, it's called a “spreadsheet game”, but there's no spreadsheets in the game, or any sort of API bridge that makes doing stuff with the game in an external spreadsheet environment easier. I understand that this may just be part of the appeal of these sorts of games for many people—reading through stat blocks and wiki pages to figure out what numbers and what formulas need to go where to build the Ultimate Spreadsheet for your purposes (though in the end doesn't everyone just use existing Ultimate Spreadsheets created by others, or at least use them as reference?). And trust me, I did have a lot of fun building my Google Sheets infrastructure to coordinate business and production between myself and the three friends I got to (briefly) play Prosperous Universe with me. Also, don't get me wrong, I also enjoyed the subsequent rabbit-hole of learning how spreadsheet implementations actually work, including historical alternative spreadsheet implementations that had a lot of cool ideas like Lotus Improv [0]. But, in the end, I just wasn't having enough fun with Prosperous Universe to keep playing after awhile. [0] This video is worth watching the opening few minutes of just for the vibes alone (trust me) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgGmKD87U3M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgGmKD87U3M

pugworthy 2mo ago

MMOSS (Massive Multiplayer Online Screen Saver) is what I've always seen it as. Beautiful game. Not for the faint of heart .

Induane 2mo ago
Right up there with The Endless Forest.

jeremyjh 2mo ago

I thought it was played on the forums? That’s where the nullsec alliance game was played in my day.

kulahan 2mo ago

I can never tell if these comments are jokes or not because I unironically thought this was a spreadsheet game my whole life. For anyone as ignorant as I was, it’s actually a video game. You do fly around in open space, chase or run from ships, and top-level combat is surprisingly difficult to perform. Once you get the hang of flying itself, there’s a whole dance of turning systems on and off to be most efficient with fuel, overheating of ship modules to eke out a bit more performance, and more. Or you can chill out in a high security region, auto-orbit some random asteroid belt, mindlessly mining away with a group of friends while you chat or play magic on Tabletop Sim, or something else equally distracting. I can’t gush enough about the game. The learning curve is huge, but if you’ve got a couple of buddies you like playing games with, this is basically perfect to explore together. They just released a new starter zone, too.