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I understand his comment as being against dumb regulation that only ads unnecessary bureaucracy or stops/limits progress. But he would support a regulation for

by alecsm 3mo ago

I understand his comment as being against dumb regulation that only ads unnecessary bureaucracy or stops/limits progress. But he would support a regulation for this because it's a violation against the property of the buyer.

datsci_est_2015 3mo ago
> being against dumb regulation that only ads unnecessary bureaucracy or stops/limits progress Does such strawman regulation even exist? Some regulation is intentionally designed to limit “progress”, where “progress” happens to have negative externalities. It’s kind of a self-legitimizing opinion. Of course anyone would be against unnecessary regulations. I think the real world is not arguing about whether a regulation is necessary, but rather if the economic burden it creates is worth the positive impact it has on society, which is highly contentious, highly subjective debate.
- braiamp 3mo ago
  Only the regulation that doesn't evolve with the time or written so that it stays within the confines of a context that doesn't exists. Certain big country constitution is a prime example of that.
- homer456 3mo ago
  It takes a minimum of 600 hours of training to get licensed to cut hair in California. Pex plumbing is banned in Chicago as a union protectionist regulation. The "chicken tax" regulation scheme has screwed up the US truck market for decades. Electrical code requirements for the wiring of kitchen islands have changed drastically with very small justification within a short span of time. To this day it is illegal to trade onion futures in Chicago due to an attempt to corner the market on onions decades ago(probably over a century can't be bothered to check). Many European countries have draconian laws about air conditioning that are killing people this summer. The affordable care act is written in such a way that the only way for insurers to increase their profit margin on health plans is to increase the cost they pay out to providers ("gold plating") CAFE fuel economy standards have lead to the arms race of increased vehicle sizes for unnecessary reasons.
  - khriss 3mo ago
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  - djankauskas 3mo ago
    These are excellent examples. Regulations are not inherently good or bad, and one of the issues we seem to have in the US is a lack of honest accounting, sometimes purposefully and sometimes due to a lack of state capacity, what the costs and benefits of different regulations are.
  - rgmerk 3mo ago
    > Many European countries have draconian laws about air conditioning that are killing people this summer Cite your sources. There are specific issues in specific places (eg heritage restrictions in Paris), a higher prevalence of shared infrastructure rather than single family homes, and a higher level of renting rather than home ownership. And there are people on the green-left end of the political spectrum in parts of northern Europe with weird hangups about air conditioning. But as best I can tell this claim is false; the biggest reason why air conditioning is not so widespread in Northern Europe as in the United States is that the climate simply hasn’t, until recently, required it.
    - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3mo ago
      > climate simply hasn’t, until recently, required it. I would qualify that as it hasn't required it since the invention of air conditioning. Which also isn't strictly true; the high temperature for Paris on July 1st this year is identical to the high for the same day back in 2015[1], and there are several times since 1970 that the temperature was over 30C. Other sources[2] indicate 1947 was just as brutal as 2019 and 2022, and the warmest night was in 1772 (27.5C) [1] https://weatheronthisday.com/intl/paris/7/1 https://weatheronthisday.com/intl/paris/7/1 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Paris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Paris (standard Wikipedia reliability warning applies)
      - rplnt 3mo ago
        Outside air temperature isn't an issue. It's not like people drop dead the moment it hits 40. The problem is that after a few days of that everything is heated up through and you have no place to escape it. That's new and hasn't been happening before.
- autoexec 3mo ago
  > Does such strawman regulation even exist? Yes, the DMCA is a great example, but corporations write those regulations and bribe government to pass them. That's not really an example of evil government as much as it is an example of evil corporations, although it does illustrate how much work is needed to limit the influence of money in politics.
  - AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
    > That's not really an example of evil government as much as it is an example of evil corporations It's the corporation's job to advocate for favorable regulations and the government's job to enact regulations that benefit the general public rather than special interests. Only one of them is bad at their job. > although it does illustrate how much work is needed to limit the influence of money in politics. It's actually the perfect example of something where "money in politics" isn't the problem. The companies that lobby for the DMCA are the media companies. They donate their share of money but by far the largest source of their influence is their ability to run sustained unfavorable coverage against politicians who cross them, which would continue to be the case even if they couldn't transfer a dime into the politician's own coffers.
    - autoexec 3mo ago
      > It's the corporation's job to advocate for favorable regulations Bribery is not advocacy. > the government's job to enact regulations that benefit the general public rather than special interests. No argument there, but so far companies and corrupt politicians have conned a large percentage of the public into accepting that it's okay and that any constraints on what a company wants to do is a terrible thing. We're currently under a very pro-bribery admin. > The companies that lobby for the DMCA are the media companies. They donate their share of money but by far the largest source of their influence is their ability to run sustained unfavorable coverage against politicians who cross them I'm not entirely convinced that media coverage is more influential than bribes, donations, and the revolving door. That argument also only works for the media industry and not the other countless industries which bribe government. The oil and gas industry have been getting their money's worth https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/05/10/energy-industry-already-giving-trump-millions-while-he-promises-big-cutbacks-in-seeking-1-billion-donation/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/05/10/energy-indu...
Braxton1980 3mo ago
Dumb regulation being subjective
- sbayg 3mo ago
  Subjective being subjective
  - nfw2 3mo ago
    The word subjective is not itself subjective. People understand the definition of the word subjective.
    - thaumasiotes 3mo ago
      https://dilbert-viewer.herokuapp.com/2007-12-11 https://dilbert-viewer.herokuapp.com/2007-12-11
    - sbayg 2mo ago
      What people deem to be subjective is very often subjective. You disagreeing simply proves the point.
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ikiris 3mo ago
dumb regulation meaning any regulation they don't understand the purpose of is the point.
- airstrike 3mo ago
  It's a stretch rather than a point.
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by alecsm 3mo ago

datsci_est_2015 3mo ago

> being against dumb regulation that only ads unnecessary bureaucracy or stops/limits progress Does such strawman regulation even exist? Some regulation is intentionally designed to limit “progress”, where “progress” happens to have negative externalities. It’s kind of a self-legitimizing opinion. Of course anyone would be against unnecessary regulations. I think the real world is not arguing about whether a regulation is necessary, but rather if the economic burden it creates is worth the positive impact it has on society, which is highly contentious, highly subjective debate.

braiamp 3mo ago
Only the regulation that doesn't evolve with the time or written so that it stays within the confines of a context that doesn't exists. Certain big country constitution is a prime example of that.
homer456 3mo ago
It takes a minimum of 600 hours of training to get licensed to cut hair in California. Pex plumbing is banned in Chicago as a union protectionist regulation. The "chicken tax" regulation scheme has screwed up the US truck market for decades. Electrical code requirements for the wiring of kitchen islands have changed drastically with very small justification within a short span of time. To this day it is illegal to trade onion futures in Chicago due to an attempt to corner the market on onions decades ago(probably over a century can't be bothered to check). Many European countries have draconian laws about air conditioning that are killing people this summer. The affordable care act is written in such a way that the only way for insurers to increase their profit margin on health plans is to increase the cost they pay out to providers ("gold plating") CAFE fuel economy standards have lead to the arms race of increased vehicle sizes for unnecessary reasons.
- khriss 3mo ago
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- djankauskas 3mo ago
  These are excellent examples. Regulations are not inherently good or bad, and one of the issues we seem to have in the US is a lack of honest accounting, sometimes purposefully and sometimes due to a lack of state capacity, what the costs and benefits of different regulations are.
- rgmerk 3mo ago
  > Many European countries have draconian laws about air conditioning that are killing people this summer Cite your sources. There are specific issues in specific places (eg heritage restrictions in Paris), a higher prevalence of shared infrastructure rather than single family homes, and a higher level of renting rather than home ownership. And there are people on the green-left end of the political spectrum in parts of northern Europe with weird hangups about air conditioning. But as best I can tell this claim is false; the biggest reason why air conditioning is not so widespread in Northern Europe as in the United States is that the climate simply hasn’t, until recently, required it.
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3mo ago
    > climate simply hasn’t, until recently, required it. I would qualify that as it hasn't required it since the invention of air conditioning. Which also isn't strictly true; the high temperature for Paris on July 1st this year is identical to the high for the same day back in 2015[1], and there are several times since 1970 that the temperature was over 30C. Other sources[2] indicate 1947 was just as brutal as 2019 and 2022, and the warmest night was in 1772 (27.5C) [1] https://weatheronthisday.com/intl/paris/7/1 https://weatheronthisday.com/intl/paris/7/1 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Paris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Paris (standard Wikipedia reliability warning applies)
    - rplnt 3mo ago
      Outside air temperature isn't an issue. It's not like people drop dead the moment it hits 40. The problem is that after a few days of that everything is heated up through and you have no place to escape it. That's new and hasn't been happening before.
autoexec 3mo ago
> Does such strawman regulation even exist? Yes, the DMCA is a great example, but corporations write those regulations and bribe government to pass them. That's not really an example of evil government as much as it is an example of evil corporations, although it does illustrate how much work is needed to limit the influence of money in politics.
- AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
  > That's not really an example of evil government as much as it is an example of evil corporations It's the corporation's job to advocate for favorable regulations and the government's job to enact regulations that benefit the general public rather than special interests. Only one of them is bad at their job. > although it does illustrate how much work is needed to limit the influence of money in politics. It's actually the perfect example of something where "money in politics" isn't the problem. The companies that lobby for the DMCA are the media companies. They donate their share of money but by far the largest source of their influence is their ability to run sustained unfavorable coverage against politicians who cross them, which would continue to be the case even if they couldn't transfer a dime into the politician's own coffers.
  - autoexec 3mo ago
    > It's the corporation's job to advocate for favorable regulations Bribery is not advocacy. > the government's job to enact regulations that benefit the general public rather than special interests. No argument there, but so far companies and corrupt politicians have conned a large percentage of the public into accepting that it's okay and that any constraints on what a company wants to do is a terrible thing. We're currently under a very pro-bribery admin. > The companies that lobby for the DMCA are the media companies. They donate their share of money but by far the largest source of their influence is their ability to run sustained unfavorable coverage against politicians who cross them I'm not entirely convinced that media coverage is more influential than bribes, donations, and the revolving door. That argument also only works for the media industry and not the other countless industries which bribe government. The oil and gas industry have been getting their money's worth https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/05/10/energy-industry-already-giving-trump-millions-while-he-promises-big-cutbacks-in-seeking-1-billion-donation/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/05/10/energy-indu...

Braxton1980 3mo ago

Dumb regulation being subjective

sbayg 3mo ago
Subjective being subjective
- nfw2 3mo ago
  The word subjective is not itself subjective. People understand the definition of the word subjective.
  - thaumasiotes 3mo ago
    https://dilbert-viewer.herokuapp.com/2007-12-11 https://dilbert-viewer.herokuapp.com/2007-12-11
  - sbayg 2mo ago
    What people deem to be subjective is very often subjective. You disagreeing simply proves the point.

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ikiris 3mo ago

dumb regulation meaning any regulation they don't understand the purpose of is the point.

airstrike 3mo ago
It's a stretch rather than a point.

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