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I wonder if you would feel different after witnessing an execution (by guillotine)? I believe Camus is arguing that you would, giving his father as example of s

by aejm 3mo ago

I wonder if you would feel different after witnessing an execution (by guillotine)? I believe Camus is arguing that you would, giving his father as example of someone who similarly changed his mind.

TacticalCoder 3mo ago
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- OnTheDesk 3mo ago
  Sound to me like you're thinking about a violent fantasy toward the offender rather than the victims tbh
- defrost 3mo ago
  > They used to do that in the middle-age. Not casually and not for "minor crimes" (by the standards of the time) like the killing of a child. The overly performative hung, drawn, and quartering variations were reserved for high crimes of treason, regicide, etc.
- gsinclair 3mo ago
  “…the person you don’t care about…” Your comment is below the intellectual and interpersonal standard that makes HN a good place to be. I don’t doubt your sincerity and I can abide your opinion, but you should be restrained in ascribing such points of view to others.
  - AlexeyBelov 2mo ago
    > Your comment is below the intellectual and interpersonal standard that makes HN a good place to be. You should install an extension and tag certain accounts. You'll notice it's the same people doing it for years (and also constant 2 months old accounts, but that's a different issue).
- halperter 2mo ago
  This may sound harsh, but I believe that anyone who fantasizes about cruelly murdering anyone has something wrong with them. Have you seen a death, saw someone dying in all the glory of their guts splayed around you? If that is something you desire to see, perhaps this death drive of yours requires some introspective.
- otherme123 2mo ago
  >From A to Z I'd be thinking about the persons you don't care about: the victims. And what exactly does the extra torture for the victim you care about? Is she better after the arm breaking or after the ball cutting? I don't know any indicator that countries with death penalty have less victims or less crimes or less vicious crimes, or that added torture improves anything at all for past and future victims. No, you are caring about you: you feel advocating for extra torture puts you in a better moral possition than people that defends a painless death penalty, or even worse, "only" life imprissoning, or those savages that would say "a mere" 20-25 years in jail. There has been enough deaths of people that were wrongly judged, to add torture to the mix.
quantummagic 3mo ago
I have always actively avoided all the videos online of beheadings or other types of death, because i'm squeamish and don't want such images in my head. However, while not in person, I did actually witness a guillotine execution video. Admittedly it was filmed at a few hundred feet away, so it lacked any gore or closeups of the corpse. It was a shocking process - how quickly it happened (30 seconds from the appearance of the condemned to their demise). But it wasn't too hard to watch, and hasn't haunted me. Anyway, there are a great many videos online of murders and other death scenes, and famously there were VHS tapes available pre-internet called "faces of death" showing such events. A great many people actively seek out and watch such things, seemingly with no negative reaction to them. So there are a lot of people who would presumably be even less affected by a guillotine execution than I was.
- t-3 3mo ago
  I mean, hangings and torture used to be done publicly and people would gather to watch in large crowds, even bringing the whole family. There are still people who travel to witness death-row executions for no apparent reason than their own pleasure. This kind of morbid obsession with violence and trivialization of it as a spectacle has become much less common as people have become more civilized with time, but I doubt it will ever fully disappear.
  - halperter 2mo ago
    Camus also writes that these morbid events essentially harden the people who need to be softened, trivializing violence and thus perpetuating it. He uses the example of pickpockets, where a large majority of pickpockets convicted had atteneded an execution of another pickpocjet, sometimes stealing from others while the execution was ongoing.
    - mieses 2mo ago
      This just clarifies who the enemy is. I don't see a problem.
      - 2mo ago
mieses 2mo ago
A sheltered childhood would lead you to change your mind about anything if you saw someone spill a glass of milk. Emotions. Feelings.

by aejm 3mo ago

I wonder if you would feel different after witnessing an execution (by guillotine)? I believe Camus is arguing that you would, giving his father as example of someone who similarly changed his mind.

TacticalCoder 3mo ago

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OnTheDesk 3mo ago
Sound to me like you're thinking about a violent fantasy toward the offender rather than the victims tbh
defrost 3mo ago
> They used to do that in the middle-age. Not casually and not for "minor crimes" (by the standards of the time) like the killing of a child. The overly performative hung, drawn, and quartering variations were reserved for high crimes of treason, regicide, etc.
gsinclair 3mo ago
“…the person you don’t care about…” Your comment is below the intellectual and interpersonal standard that makes HN a good place to be. I don’t doubt your sincerity and I can abide your opinion, but you should be restrained in ascribing such points of view to others.
- AlexeyBelov 2mo ago
  > Your comment is below the intellectual and interpersonal standard that makes HN a good place to be. You should install an extension and tag certain accounts. You'll notice it's the same people doing it for years (and also constant 2 months old accounts, but that's a different issue).
halperter 2mo ago
This may sound harsh, but I believe that anyone who fantasizes about cruelly murdering anyone has something wrong with them. Have you seen a death, saw someone dying in all the glory of their guts splayed around you? If that is something you desire to see, perhaps this death drive of yours requires some introspective.
otherme123 2mo ago
>From A to Z I'd be thinking about the persons you don't care about: the victims. And what exactly does the extra torture for the victim you care about? Is she better after the arm breaking or after the ball cutting? I don't know any indicator that countries with death penalty have less victims or less crimes or less vicious crimes, or that added torture improves anything at all for past and future victims. No, you are caring about you: you feel advocating for extra torture puts you in a better moral possition than people that defends a painless death penalty, or even worse, "only" life imprissoning, or those savages that would say "a mere" 20-25 years in jail. There has been enough deaths of people that were wrongly judged, to add torture to the mix.

quantummagic 3mo ago

I have always actively avoided all the videos online of beheadings or other types of death, because i'm squeamish and don't want such images in my head. However, while not in person, I did actually witness a guillotine execution video. Admittedly it was filmed at a few hundred feet away, so it lacked any gore or closeups of the corpse. It was a shocking process - how quickly it happened (30 seconds from the appearance of the condemned to their demise). But it wasn't too hard to watch, and hasn't haunted me. Anyway, there are a great many videos online of murders and other death scenes, and famously there were VHS tapes available pre-internet called "faces of death" showing such events. A great many people actively seek out and watch such things, seemingly with no negative reaction to them. So there are a lot of people who would presumably be even less affected by a guillotine execution than I was.

t-3 3mo ago
I mean, hangings and torture used to be done publicly and people would gather to watch in large crowds, even bringing the whole family. There are still people who travel to witness death-row executions for no apparent reason than their own pleasure. This kind of morbid obsession with violence and trivialization of it as a spectacle has become much less common as people have become more civilized with time, but I doubt it will ever fully disappear.
- halperter 2mo ago
  Camus also writes that these morbid events essentially harden the people who need to be softened, trivializing violence and thus perpetuating it. He uses the example of pickpockets, where a large majority of pickpockets convicted had atteneded an execution of another pickpocjet, sometimes stealing from others while the execution was ongoing.
  - mieses 2mo ago
    This just clarifies who the enemy is. I don't see a problem.
    - 2mo ago

mieses 2mo ago

A sheltered childhood would lead you to change your mind about anything if you saw someone spill a glass of milk. Emotions. Feelings.