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Kagi Changelog (July 2): Heads, tails, and an AI toggle

68 points by mroche 3mo ago

tom6ow 3mo ago
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ghayes 3mo ago
> It's finally here! We believe that Kagi's application of AI should always be useful - there when you'd like it, and never when you don't, and always respecting your privacy. It's nice to have choice here when, e.g. Google, has been trending in the opposite direction.
- al_borland 3mo ago
  Even before this toggle Kagi's implementation seemed very opt-in. But default there aren't AI answers, a question market needs to be added at the end of the search string, and I believe that could be turned off. It seems like this new toggle would mainly get rid of the button to trigger an AI answer on the search page.
tom2ow 3mo ago
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terribleperson 3mo ago
edit: Kagi Translate still works for paying customers. I was completely unaware they'd been giving it away for free. >Kagi News and Kagi Translate have both been successes that took us by surprise. ... >But these unexpected successes led to a massive spike in our costs for applications offered for free. >As a result, we have temporarily removed translations and left access to the articles’ original languages as well as English. Kagi Translate will be back in the coming days as a subscription-based service. Free? I'm a paying customer. Maybe you can't provide unlimited translate access, but I expect some amount of translation access as part of my Kagi subscription.
- ruricolist 3mo ago
  "If you have an active subscription, Translate still works."
  - terribleperson 3mo ago
    That's from the June 16 post, does that still apply?
    - ufmace 3mo ago
      I'm a subscriber, and I just tested that translate still works fine
      - terribleperson 3mo ago
        Awesome, I was a bit concerned.
  - search_facility 3mo ago
    There are still problems though - in Chrome translation addon simply no way to login properly so its broken //
tom7ow 3mo ago
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tom8ow 3mo ago
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goodroot 3mo ago
Interesting to see this and SearXNG on the front page at the same time. The latter replaced the former for me, and I've enjoyed primarily searching through a local model.
- didibus 3mo ago
  SearXNG is different though, because it still relies on a data-harvesting, ad-driven online economy. Off course if all you care about is privacy, might be fine, not sure how good it is at hiding you, but if you care more about not having your data/attention be the revenue source and having software incentives be to offer something customers are willing to part money for, Kagi is still it.
  - alexgieg 3mo ago
    As I remember, Kagi's index isn't entirely its own. They do some crawling themselves, but they still rely heavily on purchasing search results from Microsoft and Google to complement their own.
    - didibus 2mo ago
      That's true, that's a money constraint, which hopefully would mean as they gain more paying users, they can scale their index further, and rely less and less on other indexes.
quinncom 3mo ago
Something not mentioned in the changelog that I just noticed: Kagi Assistant now offers Gemma 4 31B hosted at Cerebras. It’s insanely fast and seems to follow instructions quite well as a research assistant.
- aryonoco 3mo ago
  Gemma 4 31B as hosted by Cerebras is almost too fast! Like I gave it a few different queries and the response was instant and I thought there was something wrong and there was a glitch and I had to double check that I had actually given it the correct prompt. Mind you Gemma 4 is still Gemma 4, but the speed was really eye opening. Like a glimpse into the future of AI
  - mroche 3mo ago
    I'd been hoping for G4 to be added so I could play around with it. Pretty much spent all of last week doing so. I thought something was short-circuiting due to the speed of response, I'd never seen a model operate that fast. https://inference-docs.cerebras.ai/models/gemma-4-31b https://inference-docs.cerebras.ai/models/gemma-4-31b

68 points by mroche 3mo ago

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> It's finally here! We believe that Kagi's application of AI should always be useful - there when you'd like it, and never when you don't, and always respecting your privacy. It's nice to have choice here when, e.g. Google, has been trending in the opposite direction.

al_borland 3mo ago
Even before this toggle Kagi's implementation seemed very opt-in. But default there aren't AI answers, a question market needs to be added at the end of the search string, and I believe that could be turned off. It seems like this new toggle would mainly get rid of the button to trigger an AI answer on the search page.

tom2ow 3mo ago

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terribleperson 3mo ago

edit: Kagi Translate still works for paying customers. I was completely unaware they'd been giving it away for free. >Kagi News and Kagi Translate have both been successes that took us by surprise. ... >But these unexpected successes led to a massive spike in our costs for applications offered for free. >As a result, we have temporarily removed translations and left access to the articles’ original languages as well as English. Kagi Translate will be back in the coming days as a subscription-based service. Free? I'm a paying customer. Maybe you can't provide unlimited translate access, but I expect some amount of translation access as part of my Kagi subscription.

ruricolist 3mo ago
"If you have an active subscription, Translate still works."
- terribleperson 3mo ago
  That's from the June 16 post, does that still apply?
  - ufmace 3mo ago
    I'm a subscriber, and I just tested that translate still works fine
    - terribleperson 3mo ago
      Awesome, I was a bit concerned.
- search_facility 3mo ago
  There are still problems though - in Chrome translation addon simply no way to login properly so its broken //

tom7ow 3mo ago

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tom8ow 3mo ago

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goodroot 3mo ago

Interesting to see this and SearXNG on the front page at the same time. The latter replaced the former for me, and I've enjoyed primarily searching through a local model.

didibus 3mo ago
SearXNG is different though, because it still relies on a data-harvesting, ad-driven online economy. Off course if all you care about is privacy, might be fine, not sure how good it is at hiding you, but if you care more about not having your data/attention be the revenue source and having software incentives be to offer something customers are willing to part money for, Kagi is still it.
- alexgieg 3mo ago
  As I remember, Kagi's index isn't entirely its own. They do some crawling themselves, but they still rely heavily on purchasing search results from Microsoft and Google to complement their own.
  - didibus 2mo ago
    That's true, that's a money constraint, which hopefully would mean as they gain more paying users, they can scale their index further, and rely less and less on other indexes.

quinncom 3mo ago

Something not mentioned in the changelog that I just noticed: Kagi Assistant now offers Gemma 4 31B hosted at Cerebras. It’s insanely fast and seems to follow instructions quite well as a research assistant.

aryonoco 3mo ago
Gemma 4 31B as hosted by Cerebras is almost too fast! Like I gave it a few different queries and the response was instant and I thought there was something wrong and there was a glitch and I had to double check that I had actually given it the correct prompt. Mind you Gemma 4 is still Gemma 4, but the speed was really eye opening. Like a glimpse into the future of AI
- mroche 3mo ago
  I'd been hoping for G4 to be added so I could play around with it. Pretty much spent all of last week doing so. I thought something was short-circuiting due to the speed of response, I'd never seen a model operate that fast. https://inference-docs.cerebras.ai/models/gemma-4-31b https://inference-docs.cerebras.ai/models/gemma-4-31b