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For anyone new, Kramnik has been accusing players left and right of cheating without any proof. His accusations have done huge harm to the chess community as a
by amrit3128 3mo ago
For anyone new, Kramnik has been accusing players left and right of cheating without any proof. His accusations have done huge harm to the chess community as a whole. Daniel Naroditsky was harrassed so much, that he eventually went into depression and committed suicide. And he had proven ability as one of the best chess players out there, and probably the best chess teacher on YouTube. These are facts.
Now onto my probably crazy conspiracy theory: Russian players like Danil, Nepo and Kramnik have accused American and Indian players baselessly of cheating multiple times over the past few years. They have went to podcasts and implied that their opponents have cheated. Idk if it's some lost national pride in chess or something but accusing others does more harm than good. We've seen how it hurt Hans when he was accused by Magnus of cheating without any evidence. Multiple top level tournaments stopped calling him due to magnus throwing a tantrum cuz he lost.
- EGreg 3mo agoWhat about the famous case of Carlsen claiming that his opponent cheated and even forfeiting to draw attention to it?
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- Maxatar 3mo agoThis is a big part of the problem... Kramnik had been bullying people for years about cheating, including aggressively bullying Daniel Naroditsky, and for the most part the chess community did nothing about it. It would be very hard for people to condemn Kramnik for his cheating accusations all the while chess' top star Carlsen was on a bullying spree of his own against Niemann.
- kelipso 3mo ago> It would be very hard for people to condemn Kramnik for his cheating accusations all the while chess' top star Carlsen was on a bullying spree of his own against Niemann. Doesn’t seem that hard from seeing all the comments here. I make an effort to keep away from chess forums online because of this stuff; most of these people are literally children, like under 14, but you can’t tell online lol.
- V__ 3mo agoAny normal human should have stopped and thought about their actions after Daniels passing.. Daniel will be missed and Kramnik hopefully forgotten.
- JoshTriplett 3mo ago> Daniel Naroditsky was harrassed so much, that he eventually went into depression and committed suicide. Not according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Naroditsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Naroditsky ? (Still a tragedy, though; any death is.)
- tetha 3mo agoYou are correct, there is no strong indication of active suicide. However, it certainly put him into a state of mind of neglect, not caring anymore and not taking care of himself and most importantly, no way out. The words "I cannot play chess anymore without doubt of being accused of cheating, no matter what I do" are haunting to me. At that point he had multiple cameras targeting all screens he had and everything he could see, and it wasn't enough to Kramnik. At such a point, it feels like arguing semantics.
- ajkjk 3mo agoIf you want to be detailed about it, https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1qjafcd/medical_examiner_report_daniel_naroditskys_death/ https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1qjafcd/medical_exam... talks about the whole report; that sarcoidosis was the actual cause is speculative, and the "substance use as a contributing factor" part is widely believed to be in part due to the extreme stress he was under... but it is hard to say anything about causality definitively.
- tinyhouse 3mo agoAre we talking about online chess cheating? Aren't players eventually need to show up and play in-person?