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As opposed to what? American servers with Isreali backdoors?

by mdni007 3mo ago

petcat 3mo ago
How about Spanish servers? I will never understand this helplessness that comes from these European countries. They are choosing to be dependent on foreign powers.
- gregorygoc 3mo ago
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  - saghm 3mo ago
    I don't have any insight into what to call it right now, but I thought for several decades after WWII it was still fascist? If anything being a banana republic might not be as as bad as what it used to be
    - natebc 3mo ago
      i knew it was a little while after WWII (college history was long, long ago!) but didn't realize it was ... 1975-1977!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democrac...
      - saghm 3mo ago
        I did a whole Wikipedia deep dive on this several months ago. I vaguely remembered hearing how long it took for it to switch back, but the history around it is kind of fascinating; the son of the previous king was groomed to be the successor of Francisco Franco, and I guess he did a good enough job convincing him that he was ideologically in agreement so that the power was passed to him, which he then used to reinstate a republican form of government.
    - throw-the-towel 3mo ago
      Hell, how can you be a banana republic when you're not even a republic? (Sorry for the pun, I'll see myself out.)
      - saghm 3mo ago
        > (Sorry for the pun, I'll see myself out.) No worries, I can see the a-peel.
  - t-writescode 3mo ago
    > In political science, the term banana republic describes a politically and economically unstable country with an economy dependent upon the export of natural resources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic What natural resource export is Spain’s economy dependent upon?
    - 8note 3mo ago
      but also, ismt that a description of dutch disease? a banana republic is a country where the US installs a brutal dictatorship on behalf of a banana company, and the punishment for not helping grow cheap bananas for rich americans is a slow, tortuous death
    - gregorygoc 3mo ago
      It appears it’s pork, which lands in China. Current corrupt government is fighting tooth and nail in order to not start a trade fight with China at EU level. You do realize that when a term was coined many years ago its definition might be broadened?
- munk-a 3mo ago
  It's expensive to home-grow your own solutions and if you try transitioning too many services at once the cost will be outrageous and you'll probably open other security holes. I am glad Spain is taking this step and I hope they continue this trend - but outright refusing to use any software built abroad requires a massive investment in domestic tech. That investment would likely pay economic dividends but it is a cost that needs to be measured against other investments Spain needs to make and in Spain's case resilience against global warming is especially important.
- throw1234567891 3mo ago
  You know, we all thought you were allies. But you tricked us well.
  - wting 3mo ago
    > Fool me once, shame on... shame on you — George Bush, 2002 The original saying: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I think an intellectually honest take is that it's advantageous and prudent to depend on allies and neighbors; leveraging each party's strengths for efficiencies over strategic autonomy. This trade-off is commonly debated with depending on US military hardware in favor of EU military hardware (e.g. France's long standing position for EU strategic autonomy), or vendor lock-in with AWS vs cloud-independent offerings. The problem is when an ally becomes inconsistent and/or uncooperative; a high stakes version of prisoner's dilemma. At which point do you replace an ally's offerings with more expensive, and often inferior, alternatives? The general populace rarely has the appetite for the short-term economic pain required to achieve long-term strategic independence.

As opposed to what? American servers with Isreali backdoors?

by mdni007 3mo ago

As opposed to what? American servers with Isreali backdoors?

How about Spanish servers? I will never understand this helplessness that comes from these European countries. They are choosing to be dependent on foreign powers.

gregorygoc 3mo ago
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- saghm 3mo ago
  I don't have any insight into what to call it right now, but I thought for several decades after WWII it was still fascist? If anything being a banana republic might not be as as bad as what it used to be
  - natebc 3mo ago
    i knew it was a little while after WWII (college history was long, long ago!) but didn't realize it was ... 1975-1977!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democrac...
    - saghm 3mo ago
      I did a whole Wikipedia deep dive on this several months ago. I vaguely remembered hearing how long it took for it to switch back, but the history around it is kind of fascinating; the son of the previous king was groomed to be the successor of Francisco Franco, and I guess he did a good enough job convincing him that he was ideologically in agreement so that the power was passed to him, which he then used to reinstate a republican form of government.
  - throw-the-towel 3mo ago
    Hell, how can you be a banana republic when you're not even a republic? (Sorry for the pun, I'll see myself out.)
    - saghm 3mo ago
      > (Sorry for the pun, I'll see myself out.) No worries, I can see the a-peel.
- t-writescode 3mo ago
  > In political science, the term banana republic describes a politically and economically unstable country with an economy dependent upon the export of natural resources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic What natural resource export is Spain’s economy dependent upon?
  - 8note 3mo ago
    but also, ismt that a description of dutch disease? a banana republic is a country where the US installs a brutal dictatorship on behalf of a banana company, and the punishment for not helping grow cheap bananas for rich americans is a slow, tortuous death
  - gregorygoc 3mo ago
    It appears it’s pork, which lands in China. Current corrupt government is fighting tooth and nail in order to not start a trade fight with China at EU level. You do realize that when a term was coined many years ago its definition might be broadened?
munk-a 3mo ago
It's expensive to home-grow your own solutions and if you try transitioning too many services at once the cost will be outrageous and you'll probably open other security holes. I am glad Spain is taking this step and I hope they continue this trend - but outright refusing to use any software built abroad requires a massive investment in domestic tech. That investment would likely pay economic dividends but it is a cost that needs to be measured against other investments Spain needs to make and in Spain's case resilience against global warming is especially important.
throw1234567891 3mo ago
You know, we all thought you were allies. But you tricked us well.
- wting 3mo ago
  > Fool me once, shame on... shame on you — George Bush, 2002 The original saying: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I think an intellectually honest take is that it's advantageous and prudent to depend on allies and neighbors; leveraging each party's strengths for efficiencies over strategic autonomy. This trade-off is commonly debated with depending on US military hardware in favor of EU military hardware (e.g. France's long standing position for EU strategic autonomy), or vendor lock-in with AWS vs cloud-independent offerings. The problem is when an ally becomes inconsistent and/or uncooperative; a high stakes version of prisoner's dilemma. At which point do you replace an ally's offerings with more expensive, and often inferior, alternatives? The general populace rarely has the appetite for the short-term economic pain required to achieve long-term strategic independence.