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Really glad they confirmed this, about 5 years after I was forced to take one at threat of job loss despite 1) already having had natural Covid and 2) working a

Really glad they confirmed this, about 5 years after I was forced to take one at threat of job loss despite 1) already having had natural Covid and 2) working a fully remote job. But better late than never I suppose.

epistasis 3mo ago
They confirmed this when the vaccines were authorized. And as part of every drug, there's continual, ongoing, review of the data to ensure that safety is maintained, and that nothing has changed about the drug and its manufacturing. This is the "phase 4" of a drug, continual ongoing monitoring.
- SV_BubbleTime 3mo ago
  > They confirmed this when the vaccines were authorized No. They didn’t. They said it. You were the Phase3 trial. You can probably debate the ethicality, the decisions made, but do not pretend they had 5 year data before deploying to the entire world. Facts matter.
  - estearum 3mo ago
    You're aware that most drugs are approved without 5-year data, correct? Why did you draw the line there? Why not wait for 10-year data? What about 20- or 50- or 100-year data? Do we need 75-year data for Viagra too? 30-year data for aspirin? What's the logic tree here?
  - epistasis 3mo ago
    It's quite odd for a person to assert falehoods while also saying "facts matter." Dec 11 2020- publication of phase 2/3 trial results, meaning not only was the study fully completed, but it made it through peer review too: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 Dec 11 - 2020: first authorization https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/health/pfizer-vaccine-authorized.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/health/pfizer-vaccine-aut...
    - SV_BubbleTime 3mo ago
      A rushed phase3 was completed and there was no chance it wasn’t going to be. You know damn well that wasn’t even remotely the normal process. It’s ok, you don’t need to pretend anything about Covid was “by the book”.
      - epistasis 3mo ago
        The facts are not in your side, but you certainly do have a lot of unfounded FUD.
        SV_BubbleTime 3mo ago
        Find a single phase3 trail that was successful before deploying to the world. Find ONE.
        epistasis 3mo ago
        How about the one I linked? Or take any cancer drug approval over the past decades, those all had phase 3 trials that succeeded before the drug was released. I have to admit that I can even conceive of what your point is here, or why you are acting so emotional and indignant about the required step before drug approval, as if it doesn't exist.

epistasis 3mo ago

They confirmed this when the vaccines were authorized. And as part of every drug, there's continual, ongoing, review of the data to ensure that safety is maintained, and that nothing has changed about the drug and its manufacturing. This is the "phase 4" of a drug, continual ongoing monitoring.

SV_BubbleTime 3mo ago
> They confirmed this when the vaccines were authorized No. They didn’t. They said it. You were the Phase3 trial. You can probably debate the ethicality, the decisions made, but do not pretend they had 5 year data before deploying to the entire world. Facts matter.
- estearum 3mo ago
  You're aware that most drugs are approved without 5-year data, correct? Why did you draw the line there? Why not wait for 10-year data? What about 20- or 50- or 100-year data? Do we need 75-year data for Viagra too? 30-year data for aspirin? What's the logic tree here?
- epistasis 3mo ago
  It's quite odd for a person to assert falehoods while also saying "facts matter." Dec 11 2020- publication of phase 2/3 trial results, meaning not only was the study fully completed, but it made it through peer review too: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 Dec 11 - 2020: first authorization https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/health/pfizer-vaccine-authorized.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/health/pfizer-vaccine-aut...
  - SV_BubbleTime 3mo ago
    A rushed phase3 was completed and there was no chance it wasn’t going to be. You know damn well that wasn’t even remotely the normal process. It’s ok, you don’t need to pretend anything about Covid was “by the book”.
    - epistasis 3mo ago
      The facts are not in your side, but you certainly do have a lot of unfounded FUD.
      - SV_BubbleTime 3mo ago
        Find a single phase3 trail that was successful before deploying to the world. Find ONE.
        epistasis 3mo ago
        How about the one I linked? Or take any cancer drug approval over the past decades, those all had phase 3 trials that succeeded before the drug was released. I have to admit that I can even conceive of what your point is here, or why you are acting so emotional and indignant about the required step before drug approval, as if it doesn't exist.