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Fable 5 apparently can't be used for coding? (This is from Anthropic's announcement.) > After a series of productive conversations with the US government, we'r

Fable 5 apparently can't be used for coding? (This is from Anthropic's announcement.) > After a series of productive conversations with the US government, we're redeploying the model with a new set of classifiers to target and block more cybersecurity tasks. In the near term, some routine tasks like coding and debugging will fall back to Opus 4.8. Edit: the above was from their tweet announcement at https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2072163884430229756 https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2072163884430229756 ... the associated blog post at https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 suggests it was just poorly written and coding can still be done with Fable, just with overeager bouncing of "some routine coding and debugging tasks" to Opus.

mikesurowiec 3mo ago
From the full announcement > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. As with all our safeguards, we’ll continue to refine this to better distinguish genuine misuse from legitimate requests and reduce false positives.
- poizan42 3mo ago
  But wasn't the whole (claimed) reason that it got banned in the first place that it is a logical impossibility? Reviewing code for bugs is legitimate. Writing regression tests for bugs is legitimate. If the bug happens to be a security issue then the regression test may be a PoC or at least a step towards one.
AquinasCoder 3mo ago
I wonder if they meant to draw a link between cybersecurity coding and debugging specifically or this really will apply to all coding and debugging. If it really is a more general restriction, then this is practically the same as it still being restricted. "In the near term" is doing some heavy lifting.
diwank 3mo ago
where did you find that? weird coz their post announcing this also mentioned Claude Code: > Fable 5 will be available starting tomorrow, Wednesday, July 1, to users globally on the Claude Platform, Claude.ai, Claude Code, and Claude Cowork. For Pro, Max, Team, and select Enterprise plans,1 Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. We will re-enable access on AWS, Google Cloud, and Microsoft Foundry as quickly as possible. https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5
- bluepeter 3mo ago
  Their announcement tweet at https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2072163884430229756 https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2072163884430229756 Reading the full blog post, I think the summary was just poorly written (because it's hard not to read that sentence like all coding is redirected to Opus).
artisin 3mo ago
In the press release, they 'kind of' clarify this: > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks.
matheusmoreira 3mo ago
> Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Here's Fable 5, the strongest model. Actually try to use it to harden your code and it turns into Opus 4.8. You have seven days to use it, and only half of that time's worth in actual usage. Enjoy. Looks like it's going to be a thoroughly frustrating experience, even worse than initial rollout. For subscription users, the situation is almost indistinguishable from the export ban.
- yeeetz 3mo ago
  they might as well not released it at all, what's the point of this theater and artificial scarcity
  - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
    No idea. But I will switch to OpenAI if they release their Sol model on a subscription. And if neither of them do, I will switch to GLM 5.2.
    - lilytweed 3mo ago
      This is what I’m thinking, too. OpenAI is gaining a structural advantage purely on the basis of not being considered an enemy of the administration. Anthropic really blew it with Washington.
      - ekidd 3mo ago
        By "blew it with Washington" you mean "Didn't donate millions to the ballroom."
        eru 3mo ago
        It's interesting that the fate of billions or even trillions of dollar hinges on millions of dollars of donations.
meowface 3mo ago
Yes, I am pretty sure it was simply poorly worded. They almost definitely mean "you will notice even more false positives during seemingly routine coding/debugging tasks than you did at the initial launch". Which is not surprising, given the ordeal they've been put through. Hopefully it won't be too bad. The main depressing thing for me is it's now only 7 days on the subscription, and then full API pricing, with no mention of even a plan to bring it back to the subscription in the future. (The initial launch mentioned two weeks of subscription, then API pricing, then a hope to return it back to the subscription not long after.)
xpct 3mo ago
So, you can't use it for coding, can't use it for 'sensitive' information in chemistry/biology. It follows that it's likely bad for medicine and adjacent topics too. What can you use it for? To run a breadth search on Erdos problems?
- skeptic_ai 3mo ago
  To do if/else

mikesurowiec 3mo ago

From the full announcement > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. As with all our safeguards, we’ll continue to refine this to better distinguish genuine misuse from legitimate requests and reduce false positives.

poizan42 3mo ago
But wasn't the whole (claimed) reason that it got banned in the first place that it is a logical impossibility? Reviewing code for bugs is legitimate. Writing regression tests for bugs is legitimate. If the bug happens to be a security issue then the regression test may be a PoC or at least a step towards one.

AquinasCoder 3mo ago

I wonder if they meant to draw a link between cybersecurity coding and debugging specifically or this really will apply to all coding and debugging. If it really is a more general restriction, then this is practically the same as it still being restricted. "In the near term" is doing some heavy lifting.

diwank 3mo ago

where did you find that? weird coz their post announcing this also mentioned Claude Code: > Fable 5 will be available starting tomorrow, Wednesday, July 1, to users globally on the Claude Platform, Claude.ai, Claude Code, and Claude Cowork. For Pro, Max, Team, and select Enterprise plans,1 Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. We will re-enable access on AWS, Google Cloud, and Microsoft Foundry as quickly as possible. https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5

bluepeter 3mo ago
Their announcement tweet at https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2072163884430229756 https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2072163884430229756 Reading the full blog post, I think the summary was just poorly written (because it's hard not to read that sentence like all coding is redirected to Opus).

artisin 3mo ago

In the press release, they 'kind of' clarify this: > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks.

matheusmoreira 3mo ago

> Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Here's Fable 5, the strongest model. Actually try to use it to harden your code and it turns into Opus 4.8. You have seven days to use it, and only half of that time's worth in actual usage. Enjoy. Looks like it's going to be a thoroughly frustrating experience, even worse than initial rollout. For subscription users, the situation is almost indistinguishable from the export ban.

yeeetz 3mo ago
they might as well not released it at all, what's the point of this theater and artificial scarcity
- matheusmoreira 3mo ago
  No idea. But I will switch to OpenAI if they release their Sol model on a subscription. And if neither of them do, I will switch to GLM 5.2.
  - lilytweed 3mo ago
    This is what I’m thinking, too. OpenAI is gaining a structural advantage purely on the basis of not being considered an enemy of the administration. Anthropic really blew it with Washington.
    - ekidd 3mo ago
      By "blew it with Washington" you mean "Didn't donate millions to the ballroom."
      - eru 3mo ago
        It's interesting that the fate of billions or even trillions of dollar hinges on millions of dollars of donations.

meowface 3mo ago

Yes, I am pretty sure it was simply poorly worded. They almost definitely mean "you will notice even more false positives during seemingly routine coding/debugging tasks than you did at the initial launch". Which is not surprising, given the ordeal they've been put through. Hopefully it won't be too bad. The main depressing thing for me is it's now only 7 days on the subscription, and then full API pricing, with no mention of even a plan to bring it back to the subscription in the future. (The initial launch mentioned two weeks of subscription, then API pricing, then a hope to return it back to the subscription not long after.)

xpct 3mo ago

So, you can't use it for coding, can't use it for 'sensitive' information in chemistry/biology. It follows that it's likely bad for medicine and adjacent topics too. What can you use it for? To run a breadth search on Erdos problems?

skeptic_ai 3mo ago
To do if/else