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Radio, TV, cameras That said, breech loaders were used by the British during the Revolutionary War (the Ferguson Rifle) and multiple shots from a single barrel

by anamax 3mo ago

Radio, TV, cameras That said, breech loaders were used by the British during the Revolutionary War (the Ferguson Rifle) and multiple shots from a single barrel using multiple "touch holes" was well known. And then there's Puckle's gun.

lazide 3mo ago
The Gatling gun also predates any widespread gun control. Notably, the Gatling gun is still legal almost everywhere, including California (lulz!). If that is legal, what is the actual point of 99% if the rest of the bans, etc?
- harimau777 3mo ago
  The main point is that there isn't an epidemic of gatling gun crimes in America.
  - lazide 3mo ago
    There isn’t an epidemic of any other gun crime, by the numbers.
    - ceejayoz 3mo ago
      https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/10/31/1209683893/how-the-u-s-gun-violence-death-rate-compares-with-the-rest-of-the-world https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/10/31/1209683... > The U.S. has the 28th-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 4.31 deaths per 100,000 people in 2021. That was more than seven times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.57 deaths per 100,000 people — and about 340 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.013 deaths per 100,000. https://everytownresearch.org/graph/the-u-s-gun-homicide-rate-is-26-times-that-of-other-high-income-countries/ https://everytownresearch.org/graph/the-u-s-gun-homicide-rat... > The US gun homicide rate is 26 times that of other high-income countries. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26551975/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26551975/ > US homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than in other high-income countries, driven by a gun homicide rate that was 25.2 times higher. For 15- to 24-year-olds, the gun homicide rate in the United States was 49.0 times higher. Firearm-related suicide rates were 8.0 times higher in the United States, but the overall suicide rates were average. Unintentional firearm deaths were 6.2 times higher in the United States. The overall firearm death rate in the United States from all causes was 10.0 times higher. Ninety percent of women, 91% of children aged 0 to 14 years, 92% of youth aged 15 to 24 years, and 82% of all people killed by firearms were from the United States. We have more firearm homicides per capita than other prosperous countries have total homicides via all methods.
      - lazide 3mo ago
        We were talking specific models, yes?
        ceejayoz 3mo ago
        You said "any other gun crime", so no? How much do you think of this disparity is due to Gatling guns?
        lazide 3mo ago
        In reference to the ‘no epidemic of Gatling gun crime’ comment, yes. What other epidemic of a specific type of gun crime is there, exactly? (And no, entire categories like ‘hand gun’ don’t count)
        ceejayoz 3mo ago
        > entire categories like ‘hand gun’ don’t count How convenient for your argument! Why not? You aren't concerned that our murder rate is seven times that of other OECD nations, and 25x when limited to firearms?
        lazide 3mo ago
        Because words have meaning, and ‘handgun’ can mean anything from a muzzle loading musket to a literal MAC-10 that can fire 1800 rounds per minute. And if you can’t understand or articulate what is going on, then good luck doing anything about it? I provided a concise term that actually has a concrete meaning. That is the thread we are in. Care to join? Or do you want to scream incoherently into the void more?
        ceejayoz 3mo ago
        > Because words have meaning, and ‘handgun’ can mean anything from a muzzle loading musket to a literal MAC-10 that can fire 1800 rounds per minute. Yes, that's what this thread's about. You argued Gatling guns being legal makes gun control overall silly; someone else noted that the theoetical regulatory gap exists because in practice no one uses Gatling guns in crimes. > And if you can’t understand or articulate what is going on, then good luck doing anything about it? I think 25x the gun homicide rate effectively articulates what's going on. Do you disagree?

by anamax 3mo ago

lazide 3mo ago

The Gatling gun also predates any widespread gun control. Notably, the Gatling gun is still legal almost everywhere, including California (lulz!). If that is legal, what is the actual point of 99% if the rest of the bans, etc?

harimau777 3mo ago
The main point is that there isn't an epidemic of gatling gun crimes in America.
- lazide 3mo ago
  There isn’t an epidemic of any other gun crime, by the numbers.
  - ceejayoz 3mo ago
    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/10/31/1209683893/how-the-u-s-gun-violence-death-rate-compares-with-the-rest-of-the-world https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/10/31/1209683... > The U.S. has the 28th-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 4.31 deaths per 100,000 people in 2021. That was more than seven times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.57 deaths per 100,000 people — and about 340 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.013 deaths per 100,000. https://everytownresearch.org/graph/the-u-s-gun-homicide-rate-is-26-times-that-of-other-high-income-countries/ https://everytownresearch.org/graph/the-u-s-gun-homicide-rat... > The US gun homicide rate is 26 times that of other high-income countries. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26551975/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26551975/ > US homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than in other high-income countries, driven by a gun homicide rate that was 25.2 times higher. For 15- to 24-year-olds, the gun homicide rate in the United States was 49.0 times higher. Firearm-related suicide rates were 8.0 times higher in the United States, but the overall suicide rates were average. Unintentional firearm deaths were 6.2 times higher in the United States. The overall firearm death rate in the United States from all causes was 10.0 times higher. Ninety percent of women, 91% of children aged 0 to 14 years, 92% of youth aged 15 to 24 years, and 82% of all people killed by firearms were from the United States. We have more firearm homicides per capita than other prosperous countries have total homicides via all methods.
    - lazide 3mo ago
      We were talking specific models, yes?
      - ceejayoz 3mo ago
        You said "any other gun crime", so no? How much do you think of this disparity is due to Gatling guns?
        lazide 3mo ago
        In reference to the ‘no epidemic of Gatling gun crime’ comment, yes. What other epidemic of a specific type of gun crime is there, exactly? (And no, entire categories like ‘hand gun’ don’t count)
        ceejayoz 3mo ago
        > entire categories like ‘hand gun’ don’t count How convenient for your argument! Why not? You aren't concerned that our murder rate is seven times that of other OECD nations, and 25x when limited to firearms?
        lazide 3mo ago
        Because words have meaning, and ‘handgun’ can mean anything from a muzzle loading musket to a literal MAC-10 that can fire 1800 rounds per minute. And if you can’t understand or articulate what is going on, then good luck doing anything about it? I provided a concise term that actually has a concrete meaning. That is the thread we are in. Care to join? Or do you want to scream incoherently into the void more?
        ceejayoz 3mo ago
        > Because words have meaning, and ‘handgun’ can mean anything from a muzzle loading musket to a literal MAC-10 that can fire 1800 rounds per minute. Yes, that's what this thread's about. You argued Gatling guns being legal makes gun control overall silly; someone else noted that the theoetical regulatory gap exists because in practice no one uses Gatling guns in crimes. > And if you can’t understand or articulate what is going on, then good luck doing anything about it? I think 25x the gun homicide rate effectively articulates what's going on. Do you disagree?