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Imagine being 18 and suddenly discovering you have to prove the citizenship status of a parent you've never met or else you'll be deported to a country you've n

Imagine being 18 and suddenly discovering you have to prove the citizenship status of a parent you've never met or else you'll be deported to a country you've never been to and who's language you don't speak

pixel_popping 3mo ago
There is no problem having mechanisms in place for edge cases where the child has been abandoned, parents both dead and so-on.
- russdill 3mo ago
  I appreciate that you can look at the current political climate and imagine that such edge cases would be handled in a compassionate way.
- throwawalien 3mo ago
  yes because DACA recipients do not live in fear of conservatives trying to remove them from their homes. (this)[https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/during-voting-marathon-to-greenlight-trumps-mass-deportation-campaign-senate-republicans-reject-durbins-amendment-to-protect-daca-recipients https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/during...] was literally 3 weeks ago
anthonypasq 3mo ago
i dont agree with the person you are responding to, but theres a difference between not being a citizen and being deported.
- cosmicgadget 3mo ago
  This sounds dangerously apartheidy.
MisterMower 3mo ago
Imagine a country extending citizenship to a whole group of people for no reason other than the location of their birth, and then allowing said people to access the benefits of citizenship, including the ability to receive welfare benefits, vote, and run for office.
- wat10000 3mo ago
  Seems to work fine. Dozens of countries do this. It's not some weird hypothetical nor is the US some bizarre outlier.
  - MisterMower 3mo ago
    The fact that a guy like Trump was ever elected in the first place would imply it is not working fine. Half of the electorate supports his anti-immigration policies. In an alternate universe where immigration laws were properly enforced he may never have been elected. Further, just because something has never been an issue in the past doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future. The US is an outlier in being the only large and wealthy country that does this. Not many people are flying to Pakistan to give birth to secure Pakistani citizenship for their children.
    - danny_codes 3mo ago
      But his base is largely not people benefiting from birthright citizenship (at least, not recently).. so if anything Trump would be an indicator that we need more immigration to counter the homegrown, um, MAGAts
      - denismenace 3mo ago
        So you want to diminish the voting power of the native population through mass immigration? Tell me how this rhetoric would not radicalize any normal citizen.
        dgellow 3mo ago

pixel_popping 3mo ago

There is no problem having mechanisms in place for edge cases where the child has been abandoned, parents both dead and so-on.

russdill 3mo ago
I appreciate that you can look at the current political climate and imagine that such edge cases would be handled in a compassionate way.
throwawalien 3mo ago
yes because DACA recipients do not live in fear of conservatives trying to remove them from their homes. (this)[https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/during-voting-marathon-to-greenlight-trumps-mass-deportation-campaign-senate-republicans-reject-durbins-amendment-to-protect-daca-recipients https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/during...] was literally 3 weeks ago

anthonypasq 3mo ago

i dont agree with the person you are responding to, but theres a difference between not being a citizen and being deported.

cosmicgadget 3mo ago
This sounds dangerously apartheidy.

MisterMower 3mo ago

Imagine a country extending citizenship to a whole group of people for no reason other than the location of their birth, and then allowing said people to access the benefits of citizenship, including the ability to receive welfare benefits, vote, and run for office.

wat10000 3mo ago
Seems to work fine. Dozens of countries do this. It's not some weird hypothetical nor is the US some bizarre outlier.
- MisterMower 3mo ago
  The fact that a guy like Trump was ever elected in the first place would imply it is not working fine. Half of the electorate supports his anti-immigration policies. In an alternate universe where immigration laws were properly enforced he may never have been elected. Further, just because something has never been an issue in the past doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future. The US is an outlier in being the only large and wealthy country that does this. Not many people are flying to Pakistan to give birth to secure Pakistani citizenship for their children.
  - danny_codes 3mo ago
    But his base is largely not people benefiting from birthright citizenship (at least, not recently).. so if anything Trump would be an indicator that we need more immigration to counter the homegrown, um, MAGAts
    - denismenace 3mo ago
      So you want to diminish the voting power of the native population through mass immigration? Tell me how this rhetoric would not radicalize any normal citizen.
      - dgellow 3mo ago