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Out of curiosity, what is your expected baseline of what the average person and family in the US should be able to afford?

by Folcon 3mo ago

gruez 3mo ago
"should" is a pretty woolly concept. "should" we have to work at all? UBI proponents don't think so, and that apparently that has 45% support. What's hopefully obvious is that not being able to afford a 2 bedroom apartment at median wage is a far cry from "abject poverty". https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/19/more-americans-oppose-than-favor-the-government-providing-a-universal-basic-income-for-all-adult-citizens/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/19/more-amer...
- Folcon 3mo ago
  I mean fair, but not relevant? I'm asking you the question because a statement like 50% of [population] is making a claim to some notion of what they expect society to look like you introduced the benchmark "not being able to afford a 2 bedroom apartment at median wage", though I would expect a modern day society that makes any claim to be wealthy to be able to have above 50% of it's population to be able to support something like that as that would indicate they can support a small family You're saying that's not a good benchmark, so I'm trying to understand: 1) Do you have a different benchmark? 2) Is your key complaint that being unable to own a 2 bedroom house doesn't mean that individual or family is in "abject poverty"? In which case fair, though I would ask what does mean abject poverty for you? It seems like you're saying 2, but I want to be sure
  - gruez 3mo ago
    >In which case fair, though I would ask what does mean abject poverty for you? The exact number is heavily contested[1], so I know better than to provide my own. That said, the official poverty lines are a pretty good place to start, and it's pretty safe to say is that whatever the line for "abject poverty" actually is, "2 bedroom apartment on 1 person income" is pretty far away from that. That claim doesn't require me to provide a specific poverty line. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#Measuring_poverty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#M...

Out of curiosity, what is your expected baseline of what the average person and family in the US should be able to afford?

by Folcon 3mo ago

Out of curiosity, what is your expected baseline of what the average person and family in the US should be able to afford?

gruez 3mo ago

"should" is a pretty woolly concept. "should" we have to work at all? UBI proponents don't think so, and that apparently that has 45% support. What's hopefully obvious is that not being able to afford a 2 bedroom apartment at median wage is a far cry from "abject poverty". https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/19/more-americans-oppose-than-favor-the-government-providing-a-universal-basic-income-for-all-adult-citizens/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/19/more-amer...

Folcon 3mo ago
I mean fair, but not relevant? I'm asking you the question because a statement like 50% of [population] is making a claim to some notion of what they expect society to look like you introduced the benchmark "not being able to afford a 2 bedroom apartment at median wage", though I would expect a modern day society that makes any claim to be wealthy to be able to have above 50% of it's population to be able to support something like that as that would indicate they can support a small family You're saying that's not a good benchmark, so I'm trying to understand: 1) Do you have a different benchmark? 2) Is your key complaint that being unable to own a 2 bedroom house doesn't mean that individual or family is in "abject poverty"? In which case fair, though I would ask what does mean abject poverty for you? It seems like you're saying 2, but I want to be sure
- gruez 3mo ago
  >In which case fair, though I would ask what does mean abject poverty for you? The exact number is heavily contested[1], so I know better than to provide my own. That said, the official poverty lines are a pretty good place to start, and it's pretty safe to say is that whatever the line for "abject poverty" actually is, "2 bedroom apartment on 1 person income" is pretty far away from that. That claim doesn't require me to provide a specific poverty line. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#Measuring_poverty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#M...