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Unfortunately, the administration wants it both ways- if you were on the Capitol grounds on January 6, 2021, you were simply part of a "peaceful tour group". If

by ipython 3mo ago

Unfortunately, the administration wants it both ways- if you were on the Capitol grounds on January 6, 2021, you were simply part of a "peaceful tour group". If you stand to the side of an ICE agent in Minneapolis, you are a "domestic terrorist", deserve to be murdered in cold blood, and any attempts to investigate further will be stonewalled. So it's hard to take their characterization seriously when they have demonstrated that there is a clear double standard, depending on whether you are a FoT (Friend of Trump).

wmf 3mo ago
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- compass_copium 3mo ago
  Imagine a Democratic president with a spine like that.
- platevoltage 3mo ago
  Imagine having to pardon an anti-fascist in the USA.
- ipython 3mo ago
  Can anyone seriously define “antifa”? What would the pardon read? “Anyone who is anti-fascism is hereby pardoned…”? Edit: downvoting me doesn’t answer the question. If you have a definition please reply! If nobody can define “antifa” how the heck can you prosecute someone for being a member of it?
  - wmf 3mo ago
    It wouldn't be a blanket pardon.
  - incompatible 3mo ago
    Wikipedia uses "a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement." Until recently, there was nothing controversial or illegal about being any of those things.
    - int_19h 3mo ago
      The historical antifa is the German Antifaschistische Aktion. You can read about some of the things those guys engaged in - they didn't just target Nazis - to see why the association is controversial.
      - incompatible 3mo ago
        Yes, they fought the Nazis in the late 1920s - early 1930s. That seems to have been their main focus, what other things did they engage in? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
        int_19h 3mo ago
        "After the Communist International's abrupt turn in its Third Period from 1928, the KPD regarded the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) as its main adversary and adopted the position that the SPD was the main fascist party in Germany. This was based on the theory of social fascism that had been proclaimed by Joseph Stalin and that was supported by the Comintern during the late 1920s and early 1930s, which held that social democracy was a variant of fascism. Consequently, the KPD held that it was "the only anti-fascist party" in Germany and stated that "fighting fascism means fighting the SPD just as much as it means fighting Hitler and the parties of Brüning."
  - Auracle 3mo ago
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    - ipython 3mo ago
      The Proud Boys have a defined organization structure and leader, with a set of definitions of what a "Proud Boy" is expected to do upon joining (see McInnes' post introducing the group here: https://www.takimag.com/article/introducing_the_proud_boys_gavin_mcinnes/ https://www.takimag.com/article/introducing_the_proud_boys_g...)
selectodude 3mo ago
“For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.” Oscar R. Benavides
paisawalla 3mo ago
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- OutOfHere 3mo ago
  Huh. None of your first three points is meant to be illegal. - coordinating using a Signal group - bringing firearms, body armor, and first aid kits to a location just outside a federal facility - taking up a concealed position along a tree line For you to even list them shows a fascist bent. As for fireworks, they might not be illegal either. The only possible crime is the shooting, and only if it was not done in self defense.
  - paisawalla 3mo ago
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    - OutOfHere 3mo ago
      > I think if you append "with the intention to commit a violent crime" to each item on the list, you'll see the issue. No, that doesn't fly, and the intent isn't clear. Even if there were intent, those three bullet points still are not an crime or valid charges. As a member of the jury, I would reject them 100%. Extending your pitiful logic just a few steps, people would be locked up for 30 years just for being born. > If you want to concede that it's fascist to want violent criminals prosectued No relation. Violent crime must of course be prosecuted, but it shouldn't have to depend on trumped up charges or weak accusations of intent.
      - 9x39 3mo ago
        The actual members of the jury convicted the defendants though, accepting the .gov's evidence and witnesses that these individually innocuous elements together established their links to each other, collectively murdering an officer in the course of an attack.
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ls612 3mo ago
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RickJWagner 3mo ago
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- ipython 3mo ago
  “That guy” had a name. His name was Alex Pretti. He was disarmed before he was shot in the head. He was not even holding his weapon at any point. Are you implying that simply carrying a legal firearm while at a protest means you can be murdered, without any subsequent investigation? Again the Overton window has shifted so far just in my lifetime. This would have been front page news with congressional investigations just 10-15 years ago. Pictures of protesters openly carrying weapons at demonstrations who were not subsequently murdered by federal agents. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/politics/michigan-state-capitol.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/politics/michigan-stat... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/28/us/kyle-rittenhouse-ar15-gun.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/28/us/kyle-rittenhouse-ar15-... https://www.reuters.com/article/world/black-armed-protesters-march-in-kentucky-demanding-justice-for-breonna-taylor-idUSKCN24R028/ https://www.reuters.com/article/world/black-armed-protesters... Picture of Alex pretti before he was murdered. https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/ice-shooting-image-1.jpg?c=original&q=w_679,c_fill/f_webp https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/ice-shootin...
  - aand16 3mo ago
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    - ipython 3mo ago
      There will be no investigation at least for the foreseeable future. ICE and the federal government are actively stonewalling any attempt at one! I'd love to see an investigation. (see news reports: https://www.npr.org/2026/04/10/nx-s1-5775847/alex-pretti-renee-good-ice-shootings-federal-investigations https://www.npr.org/2026/04/10/nx-s1-5775847/alex-pretti-ren... and the statement from the Minnesota authorities: https://dps.mn.gov/news/bca/statement-bca-superintendent-drew-evans-alex-pretti-shooting-investigation https://dps.mn.gov/news/bca/statement-bca-superintendent-dre...) In fact, the federal government is using intimidation tactics to individuals who do nothing other than try to name the ICE agents who have murdered US citizens. Just a few days ago, armed ICE agents confronted a poll worker at a polling site in Syracuse NY to warn her about a social media post where she simply named the ICE agent who killed Renee Good: https://apnews.com/article/ice-poll-worker-syracuse-fa082f8ac25d019e93b526fdef37df6c https://apnews.com/article/ice-poll-worker-syracuse-fa082f8a... (post in question here: https://www.instagram.com/p/DTQ1FYDkyua/ https://www.instagram.com/p/DTQ1FYDkyua/) Back to Alex, his pistol was concealed and at no point did he attempt to reach for it. There are at least a half dozen angles of video showing the entire interaction (thanks smartphones!) so it's not too hard to see for yourself from multiple vantage points.

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wmf 3mo ago

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compass_copium 3mo ago
Imagine a Democratic president with a spine like that.
platevoltage 3mo ago
Imagine having to pardon an anti-fascist in the USA.
ipython 3mo ago
Can anyone seriously define “antifa”? What would the pardon read? “Anyone who is anti-fascism is hereby pardoned…”? Edit: downvoting me doesn’t answer the question. If you have a definition please reply! If nobody can define “antifa” how the heck can you prosecute someone for being a member of it?
- wmf 3mo ago
  It wouldn't be a blanket pardon.
- incompatible 3mo ago
  Wikipedia uses "a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement." Until recently, there was nothing controversial or illegal about being any of those things.
  - int_19h 3mo ago
    The historical antifa is the German Antifaschistische Aktion. You can read about some of the things those guys engaged in - they didn't just target Nazis - to see why the association is controversial.
    - incompatible 3mo ago
      Yes, they fought the Nazis in the late 1920s - early 1930s. That seems to have been their main focus, what other things did they engage in? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
      - int_19h 3mo ago
        "After the Communist International's abrupt turn in its Third Period from 1928, the KPD regarded the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) as its main adversary and adopted the position that the SPD was the main fascist party in Germany. This was based on the theory of social fascism that had been proclaimed by Joseph Stalin and that was supported by the Comintern during the late 1920s and early 1930s, which held that social democracy was a variant of fascism. Consequently, the KPD held that it was "the only anti-fascist party" in Germany and stated that "fighting fascism means fighting the SPD just as much as it means fighting Hitler and the parties of Brüning."
- Auracle 3mo ago
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  - ipython 3mo ago
    The Proud Boys have a defined organization structure and leader, with a set of definitions of what a "Proud Boy" is expected to do upon joining (see McInnes' post introducing the group here: https://www.takimag.com/article/introducing_the_proud_boys_gavin_mcinnes/ https://www.takimag.com/article/introducing_the_proud_boys_g...)

selectodude 3mo ago

“For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.” Oscar R. Benavides

paisawalla 3mo ago

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OutOfHere 3mo ago
Huh. None of your first three points is meant to be illegal. - coordinating using a Signal group - bringing firearms, body armor, and first aid kits to a location just outside a federal facility - taking up a concealed position along a tree line For you to even list them shows a fascist bent. As for fireworks, they might not be illegal either. The only possible crime is the shooting, and only if it was not done in self defense.
- paisawalla 3mo ago
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  - OutOfHere 3mo ago
    > I think if you append "with the intention to commit a violent crime" to each item on the list, you'll see the issue. No, that doesn't fly, and the intent isn't clear. Even if there were intent, those three bullet points still are not an crime or valid charges. As a member of the jury, I would reject them 100%. Extending your pitiful logic just a few steps, people would be locked up for 30 years just for being born. > If you want to concede that it's fascist to want violent criminals prosectued No relation. Violent crime must of course be prosecuted, but it shouldn't have to depend on trumped up charges or weak accusations of intent.
    - 9x39 3mo ago
      The actual members of the jury convicted the defendants though, accepting the .gov's evidence and witnesses that these individually innocuous elements together established their links to each other, collectively murdering an officer in the course of an attack.
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ls612 3mo ago

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RickJWagner 3mo ago

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ipython 3mo ago
“That guy” had a name. His name was Alex Pretti. He was disarmed before he was shot in the head. He was not even holding his weapon at any point. Are you implying that simply carrying a legal firearm while at a protest means you can be murdered, without any subsequent investigation? Again the Overton window has shifted so far just in my lifetime. This would have been front page news with congressional investigations just 10-15 years ago. Pictures of protesters openly carrying weapons at demonstrations who were not subsequently murdered by federal agents. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/politics/michigan-state-capitol.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/politics/michigan-stat... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/28/us/kyle-rittenhouse-ar15-gun.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/28/us/kyle-rittenhouse-ar15-... https://www.reuters.com/article/world/black-armed-protesters-march-in-kentucky-demanding-justice-for-breonna-taylor-idUSKCN24R028/ https://www.reuters.com/article/world/black-armed-protesters... Picture of Alex pretti before he was murdered. https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/ice-shooting-image-1.jpg?c=original&q=w_679,c_fill/f_webp https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/ice-shootin...
- aand16 3mo ago
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  - ipython 3mo ago
    There will be no investigation at least for the foreseeable future. ICE and the federal government are actively stonewalling any attempt at one! I'd love to see an investigation. (see news reports: https://www.npr.org/2026/04/10/nx-s1-5775847/alex-pretti-renee-good-ice-shootings-federal-investigations https://www.npr.org/2026/04/10/nx-s1-5775847/alex-pretti-ren... and the statement from the Minnesota authorities: https://dps.mn.gov/news/bca/statement-bca-superintendent-drew-evans-alex-pretti-shooting-investigation https://dps.mn.gov/news/bca/statement-bca-superintendent-dre...) In fact, the federal government is using intimidation tactics to individuals who do nothing other than try to name the ICE agents who have murdered US citizens. Just a few days ago, armed ICE agents confronted a poll worker at a polling site in Syracuse NY to warn her about a social media post where she simply named the ICE agent who killed Renee Good: https://apnews.com/article/ice-poll-worker-syracuse-fa082f8ac25d019e93b526fdef37df6c https://apnews.com/article/ice-poll-worker-syracuse-fa082f8a... (post in question here: https://www.instagram.com/p/DTQ1FYDkyua/ https://www.instagram.com/p/DTQ1FYDkyua/) Back to Alex, his pistol was concealed and at no point did he attempt to reach for it. There are at least a half dozen angles of video showing the entire interaction (thanks smartphones!) so it's not too hard to see for yourself from multiple vantage points.