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If you think that this was a protest then yeah it's worrying. The feds case, which they did win convictions based on, was that they were terrorists who set off
by daedrdev 3mo ago
If you think that this was a protest then yeah it's worrying.
The feds case, which they did win convictions based on, was that they were terrorists who set off fireworks to lure police into an ambush, and there weren't more casualties because one of the members shot early and only injured one cop. An accessory to this who hid evidence is also part of the crime in the Feds case
Is this embellished by the Feds? I think so, it seems some of the group did not think this was the plan. But there did seem to be a plan and it did involve bringing guns, setting off fireworks, opening the gate and trying to break out the prisoners, and "not going quietly"
- tkel 3mo ago"Lure police into an ambush" is quite a stretch. It's quite normal to do noise demonstrations outside jails/prisons to show solidarity with the captives, the captives will often times knock on the windows to communicate back. In fact there were noise demonstrations outside the Delaney Hall ICE jail in New Jersey just this month, which you may have heard about. The mischaracterization of fireworks as "explosives" is also a huge stretch by the government in order to pursue their antifa conspiracy.
- snvzz 3mo ago[flagged]
- Aeolun 3mo ago> Or are you saying you'd be happy to have one of these shot at your face? Given the choice between the fireworks and an actual grenade? Yeah, absolutely.
- simianparrot 3mo ago[flagged]
- goatlover 3mo agoSo can rubber bullets and tear gas canisters. Can't expect the government to act lawlessly and there not be pushback.
- stymaar 3mo agoYou can blind someone with a fork, but if the feds arrested you while you had one in you backpack and claimed you were carrying a weapon, that would be a ridiculous mischaracterization.
- victorbjorklund 3mo agoI can smash your head with a MacBook Pro and it might cause you life threatening conditions. Does that mean carrying a MacBook Pro is a weapon?
- snvzz 3mo agoA terrorist likely has easier access to the former, and it suffices.
- mathisfun123 3mo agoThis is like insisting a butter knife is a knife
- vasco 3mo agoPeople lose limbs all the time with fireworks
- tkel 3mo agoOK, July 4 is coming up, get ready to throw hundreds of thousands of people in jail for decades for setting off "explosives", right? Most fireworks, you can literally stand on top of them while they are going off and not be injured. I've seen videos of police doing it while just wearing light body armor, unphased. Stop being ridiculous. These laws about explosives were intended to be used for military-style weapons.
- vasco 3mo ago[flagged]
- Der_Einzige 3mo agoDarwin awards.
- toasty228 3mo agoYeah sure, if you hold the biggest firework you can legally buy in a closed fist something bad will happen, otherwise it's very unlikely... You're far more likely to cause damage by throwing rocks
- mathisfun123 3mo agoDo you understand this is a non-sequitur or do I need to repeat the point of the butter knife? Edit: NM I'm just gonna call it: this is by far the dumbest bad faith argument for why someone should be in prison for 30 years I have ever heard. You're clearly just a provocateur.
- one33seven 3mo agoThe cops actually shoot people in the face and you're afraid of some fireworks, while wearing full body armor? BS
- LazyGooze 3mo ago[flagged]
- blockmarker 3mo agoFireworks are explosives, and people are hurt by misusing them. Just because they are less harmful than grenades doesn't mean that they are harmless, and throwing them at someone is clearly with the intention of harming them. And well, shooting them with rifles is also clearly intended to harm them.
- piltdownman 3mo agoReducto ad absurdum. Up there with declaring Placards or Air Horns as 'offensive rioting equipment' as people can (and are) hurt through their misuse, and arguing that just because they're less harmless than an ICBM doesn't mean they're harmless. Fireworks are first and foremost Pyrotechnics - it's only a specific subset of fireworks that contain any sort of 'explosive' element. Short of Simpsons-esque escapades involving cherrybombs and toilets, or m-80s and mailboxes, this use-case simply doesn't exist in real-life. Indeed both cherrybombs and m-80s are federal felonies to possess in the U.S. without an explosives license, alongside anything with 50 milligrams or more of flash powder. Tannerite sits amongst dozens of other explosives you can buy OTC in the US with a drivers licence - one which generally necessitates shooting at with a rifle to ignite. Plenty of videos on youtube of enthusiasts blowing up a car or similar sized object using it.
- tanseydavid 3mo agoHow many people get injured each year in the US by Placards or Air Horns? And then answer the same question about fireworks...
- mc32 3mo agoThe fireworks were a distraction tactic. It wasn’t the main tool in the attempt to main injure and kill. Things went sideways for them; however the intent was there. I think that’s what the issue was. Obviously the feds always go overboard with charges in order that there be a higher likelihood of conviction and long term punishment for the convicted.
- tkel 3mo agoAll this hypothetical grandstanding is so obnoxious. Have you seen the video? There was just a few fireworks, regular ones purchased from a roadside stand. They went into the air, FAR from the facility. There was no damage. It's called a noise demonstration. The prisoners were watching from inside and cheering in response. Please go outside on the 4th of July while people are setting off fireworks and touch grass.
- mattmaroon 3mo agoIf you don’t think fireworks are explosives you’re buying the wrong ones.
- saghm 3mo agoOr the right ones. Maybe celebrating a holiday or whatever doesn't need explosives...
- mattmaroon 3mo agoI bet you’re real fun at parties.
- AndyMcConachie 3mo ago[flagged]
- aprilthird2021 3mo agoThe pardoned Jan. 6 rioters had a lot of far worse plans that were foiled which could have resulted in more casualties. There was lots of evidence several of them planned to kidnap sitting congressmen and women. Do you know why they were pardoned and this zine hider got 30 years? Must just be a quirk of the justice system...
- blockmarker 3mo ago[flagged]
- nilamo 3mo ago> Gretchen Whitmer A sitting politician was nearly kidnapped by a group of people who all wanted to torture her, but let's focus on the one FBI agent.
- cucumber3732842 3mo ago[flagged]
- bluescrn 3mo ago[flagged]
- MSFT_Edging 3mo agoIIRC these were state charges, not federal. Only chance at the zine-hider seeing actual justice is texas doing a blue flip(hell freezing over).
- zzzeek 3mo ago> Daniel “Des” Sanchez Estrada was sentenced to 30 years in federal prison for transporting a box of zines he didn’t even write. federal